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RE: Do Catholics have most boring churches/ liturgy?
October 4, 2016 at 12:32 pm
(October 4, 2016 at 6:54 am)Faith No More Wrote: I don't know. Trying to pick which service is the most boring is like trying to pick which politician is the biggest asshole. I mean, why do you think they make those pews so goddamn uncomfortable? They don't want you falling asleep.
So if services are so boring, why do people attend? In spite of the atheist crowd fantasizing about the end of religion, religion remains quite popular. Religiosity is declining in America, but still, lots of people go to church on Sunday. There's got to be something in it for them.
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RE: Do Catholics have most boring churches/ liturgy?
October 4, 2016 at 4:08 pm
(October 4, 2016 at 12:32 pm)InquiringMind Wrote: (October 4, 2016 at 6:54 am)Faith No More Wrote: I don't know. Trying to pick which service is the most boring is like trying to pick which politician is the biggest asshole. I mean, why do you think they make those pews so goddamn uncomfortable? They don't want you falling asleep.
So if services are so boring, why do people attend? In spite of the atheist crowd fantasizing about the end of religion, religion remains quite popular. Religiosity is declining in America, but still, lots of people go to church on Sunday. There's got to be something in it for them.
A lot of people enjoy mass and don't find it boring at all. In fact, I'd say I'm one of the few church goers who actually finds it pretty boring. But as I said in my earlier post, I still get something out of it. That being a sense of peace and closeness to God. That, and I also go as a gesture of commitment to my faith.
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RE: Do Catholics have most boring churches/ liturgy?
October 4, 2016 at 4:32 pm
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(October 4, 2016 at 12:32 pm)InquiringMind Wrote: (October 4, 2016 at 6:54 am)Faith No More Wrote: I don't know. Trying to pick which service is the most boring is like trying to pick which politician is the biggest asshole. I mean, why do you think they make those pews so goddamn uncomfortable? They don't want you falling asleep.
So if services are so boring, why do people attend? In spite of the atheist crowd fantasizing about the end of religion, religion remains quite popular. Religiosity is declining in America, but still, lots of people go to church on Sunday. There's got to be something in it for them.
Hookups, baby. It's a meat market and social club. Sit through the service...so you get the bbq and beans, and you get to chat up the girl in the sundress that you saw shaking her ass in a latex one piece last night at the club.
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RE: Do Catholics have most boring churches/ liturgy?
October 4, 2016 at 5:42 pm
(October 4, 2016 at 12:32 pm)InquiringMind Wrote: So if services are so boring, why do people attend? In spite of the atheist crowd fantasizing about the end of religion, religion remains quite popular. Religiosity is declining in America, but still, lots of people go to church on Sunday. There's got to be something in it for them.
What better way to show how pious you are to your god? "Look at me, lord. Look at how I suffer through this boring shit just for you. Look at how much I filled that collection plate. Don't forget this when I show up at the pearly gates."
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RE: Do Catholics have most boring churches/ liturgy?
October 4, 2016 at 6:09 pm
(October 4, 2016 at 5:42 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (October 4, 2016 at 12:32 pm)InquiringMind Wrote: So if services are so boring, why do people attend? In spite of the atheist crowd fantasizing about the end of religion, religion remains quite popular. Religiosity is declining in America, but still, lots of people go to church on Sunday. There's got to be something in it for them.
What better way to show how pious you are to your god? "Look at me, lord. Look at how I suffer through this boring shit just for you. Look at how much I filled that collection plate. Don't forget this when I show up at the pearly gates."
I highly doubt this is the sole reason why most people go to church. Especially since, as I said, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people who do go actually enjoy it.
With that being said, even if what you wrote above was the only motive behind going, I don't see why that would be a reason to critisize them for it. People make sacrifices out of commitment and love to those they care about all the time. When I was in the hospital for 4 days my husband was there with me the entire time, only leaving to go pick up food for us. He was even sleeping on the awful reclining chair for 3 nights in a row. Did he enjoy being there? Of course not. But he made that sacrifice out of love and commitment to me. If a person hates going to church and goes out of love and commitment to the God they believe in, I don't see why they should be criticized for it as if them doing it is a bad thing.
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RE: Do Catholics have most boring churches/ liturgy?
October 4, 2016 at 6:11 pm
Catholics do rank among the most boring.
Southern black baptists, the most non-boring.
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RE: Do Catholics have most boring churches/ liturgy?
October 4, 2016 at 6:47 pm
(October 4, 2016 at 6:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I highly doubt this is the sole reason why most people go to church. Especially since, as I said, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people who do go actually enjoy it.
I didn't mean to imply it was the only reason. In fact, I was mostly being tongue-in-cheek, even though I think the point is still valid.
(October 4, 2016 at 6:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: With that being said, even if what you wrote above was the only motive behind going, I don't see why that would be a reason to critisize them for it. People make sacrifices out of commitment and love to those they care about all the time. When I was in the hospital for 4 days my husband was there with me the entire time, only leaving to go pick up food for us. He was even sleeping on the awful reclining chair for 3 nights in a row. Did he enjoy being there? Of course not. But he made that sacrifice out of love and commitment to me. If a person hates going to church and goes out of love and commitment to the God they believe in, I don't see why they should be criticized for it as if them doing it is a bad thing.
That's just it. If what I said was the only motive, that would mean it was all a self-serving show. It's not really a sacrifice if you're just doing it to secure your place in the afterlife.
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RE: Do Catholics have most boring churches/ liturgy?
October 4, 2016 at 6:58 pm
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(October 4, 2016 at 6:47 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (October 4, 2016 at 6:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I highly doubt this is the sole reason why most people go to church. Especially since, as I said, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people who do go actually enjoy it.
I didn't mean to imply it was the only reason. In fact, I was mostly being tongue-in-cheek, even though I think the point is still valid.
(October 4, 2016 at 6:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: With that being said, even if what you wrote above was the only motive behind going, I don't see why that would be a reason to critisize them for it. People make sacrifices out of commitment and love to those they care about all the time. When I was in the hospital for 4 days my husband was there with me the entire time, only leaving to go pick up food for us. He was even sleeping on the awful reclining chair for 3 nights in a row. Did he enjoy being there? Of course not. But he made that sacrifice out of love and commitment to me. If a person hates going to church and goes out of love and commitment to the God they believe in, I don't see why they should be criticized for it as if them doing it is a bad thing.
That's just it. If what I said was the only motive, that would mean it was all a self-serving show. It's not really a sacrifice if you're just doing it to secure your place in the afterlife.
"A place in the afterlife" means a closeness and complete connection to God. Those who love God, or who love goodness and love (which is God), want to have that and are eternally happy when they do have it. I don't see anything wrong with that.
As far as self serving goes, I don't know. Going again to the example of my husband, he cares about me and about our relationship. Sacrificing for me gets him closer to having a good and successful marriage and hopefully a healthy family with children, which ultimately means a happier life for him. Is that "self serving"? I don't think so. He loves me and wants to have that with me, and in turn is happier for it. Same with God.
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RE: Do Catholics have most boring churches/ liturgy?
October 4, 2016 at 7:10 pm
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I love goodness and love, and I don't want that. Points for casual and not-so-subtle condescension in that particular bit of god-speak, none for accuracy.
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RE: Do Catholics have most boring churches/ liturgy?
October 4, 2016 at 7:23 pm
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I fell asleep during my cousins wedding, as she had a full Catholic one. But it really depends on the priest. My hometown had a very energetic irish priest, and I usually enjoyed the ritual of mass, when I was younger.
But I expect it would make me cry with boredom now, since I wouldn't get the same thing out of it as when I believed.
Mass given in Latin must be soooo tedious though.
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