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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 31, 2016 at 3:22 pm
(October 29, 2016 at 6:07 pm)Mariosep Wrote: --
Arkilogue, you say:
From Mariosep
That is one instance of causation, and God is the first and ultimate cause of all intermediary causes; think about that, with your reason and intelligence grounded on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas.
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Parents , Yes. All the more reason to believe in multiple gods as the source of creation. The love making of the gods is what brought all this into existence.
That is a very productive insight, that there could be multiple gods.
That is what we will go into in another thread, namely, why and how there is only one God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
But right now I will share with you that there is this principle which is accepted by all serious sincere honest persevering thinkers, namely, that things should not be multiplied unnecessarily.
So when we prove that God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, reason and intelligence tells us that there cannot be except only one such god, that is why I as a theist call god God with a capital G.
Now, if you insist that you enjoy freedom of thought and you will keep to multiple gods, I will tell you, Go in peace sir, and have a good time with multiple gods, that should already dispense you from carrying the atheists' what I might call - forgive me, party i.d. card. Nope, you read me wrong. Not multiple Gods. There can only ever be one infinite God of substance, there is no room for anything else. That God differentiates into a projective aspect and receptive aspect which act as male and female nature. "Creation" was begun with the word "God"....it was a self expression...that is a pro-creative act.
Jesus- "Ye are gods"
An "intelligently designed" universe by a God (Super duper smart scientist guy in the sky) is an unnecessary complexity. It was not thought up and poof into existence, it was unfolded from a previous unity aka God.
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 31, 2016 at 3:28 pm
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 31, 2016 at 3:39 pm
(This post was last modified: October 31, 2016 at 3:56 pm by Mariosep.)
"Not so fast! You can't just generalize from your imagination to the real world like that." - Astreja
No, I am not just so fast.
Please join me to search for instances of causation, starting with our conception and birthing from our mothers.
"There can only ever be one infinite God of substance, there is no room for anything else." - Arkilogue
Arkilogue, I respect your opinion, and I am glad for you that you know God exists as one God, and how God can be into the kind of creation or whatever He is into, according to your opinion.
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That is the way the forum system works here.
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So, dear atheist colleagues here, please take notice that I am talking now about causation, that it is taking place all the time in objective reality outside of our mind; and it is the evidence for the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 31, 2016 at 4:53 pm
I don't think anybody knows what are you talking about mario.
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 31, 2016 at 4:58 pm
I've been out of the conversation for a few days. How many more people have "failed to reply" by replying since page 31 or so? It looks to me like Arkilogue has been going for a while now. What's up with that?
(October 31, 2016 at 4:53 pm)LastPoet Wrote: I don't think anybody knows what are you talking about mario.
Whoa, you think nobody knows too? We should hang out...sorry, Idiocracy. Watched it with my 14 year old son recently.
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 31, 2016 at 6:01 pm
(October 31, 2016 at 3:39 pm)Mariosep Wrote: Please join me to search for instances of causation, starting with our conception and birthing from our mothers.
No. I know mothers exist; in fact, I am one. You do not get to use My sex life and labour pains to prove the existence of your imaginary friend.
It's absolute nonsense to use causation as evidence of anything more than... causation. You simply cannot declare arbitrarily that a god caused this or that, and that your favourite god is the only possible explanation. Go back and prove that your god is real, using empirical, lab-testable evidence rather than bad philosophy.
(By the way, Glori the Dragon would appreciate it very much if you would put the goalposts back where you found them, as he's worried they might topple over and fall on someone.)
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 31, 2016 at 6:01 pm
(October 31, 2016 at 3:39 pm)Mariosep Wrote: This a new post.
So, dear atheist colleagues here, please take notice that I am talking now about causation, that it is taking place all the time in objective reality outside of our mind; and it is the evidence for the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
New? I'm fairly certain there is nothing new being said here. It's the same thing you've been repeating for almost 40 pages, ignoring the criticism, and refusing to respond to most, if not all, of the refutations or questions.
"God" is all in your head. That's the only place it will ever be since it does not, and cannot, truly exist. Imposing the idea of god upon empirical reality does not make it any more real than if I did the same thing with another imaginary entity.
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 31, 2016 at 6:08 pm
(This post was last modified: October 31, 2016 at 6:09 pm by brewer.)
(October 31, 2016 at 3:39 pm)Mariosep Wrote: "Not so fast! You can't just generalize from your imagination to the real world like that." - Astreja
No, I am not just so fast.
Please join me to search for instances of causation, starting with our conception and birthing from our mothers.
"There can only ever be one infinite God of substance, there is no room for anything else." - Arkilogue
Arkilogue, I respect your opinion, and I am glad for you that you know God exists as one God, and how God can be into the kind of creation or whatever He is into, according to your opinion.
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No, I did not modify my earlier post, but I made another one before anyone else put a new one after mine, and the program here just added it to my already transmitted post.
That is the way the forum system works here.
So this message will also be appended to the earlier augmented one, when there is no new post from another writer coming prior to this one I am now writing and sending over.
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This a new post.
So, dear atheist colleagues here, please take notice that I am talking now about causation, that it is taking place all the time in objective reality outside of our mind; and it is the evidence for the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
I see using the quote and reply functions did not last long. Are you really this broken?
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 31, 2016 at 6:16 pm
I'm swearing off of this thread. Reading Murkysod makes me feel yucky. Too little return for the vast effort required to figure him out. If anyone ever feels there has been first contact here and wouldn't mind PM'ing me, I'd be happy to come back for a peek.
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 31, 2016 at 7:52 pm
Quote:Astreja, 386 [Excerpt] "It's absolute nonsense to use causation as evidence of anything more than... causation. You simply cannot declare arbitrarily that a god caused this or that, and that your favourite god is the only possible explanation. Go back and prove that your god is real, using empirical, lab-testable evidence rather than bad philosophy."
The empirical evidence from me is in Nos. 1 to 5, see below.
You please write a proof of something to exist in objective reality, what about atoms in space?
You have experienced the causation by you of a baby, so please also experience proving something like say atoms to exist in space, then you will comprehend my proof, okay?
click page 1 to see the proof in OP Mariosep Wrote:This is my proof for God existing.
1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
"God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."
2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.
5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
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