I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

[Mariosep]

[Tonus]

Now, I decided to challenge Stimbo to exchange thoughts with me on God exists or not, because I was thinking that I could learn something from her, on how atheists explain babies coming forth from papa and mama, without causation.

Just in case this was a euphemism for "I propositioned Stimbo for sex" I want to point out that it's "he," not "she."

That's alright, we'll wait for your hands to stop shaking and then you may proceed with your next post.

[Cyberman]

I'm not fussy, I'll take whatever I can get.

[The Joker]

Since you are a fan of science, logic and common sense that I recommend you read this book.  

New proofs for the existence of God by Robert Spitzer, eerdmans publishing.

[Mariosep]

Do you mean, dear Stimbo, that with these words from your latest post here, namely:

"I'm not fussy, I'll take whatever I can get."

that you are accepting my challenge for us two to exchange thoughts on God exists or not, in particular with babies from my part as evidence of causation all the way to God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?

Please reply with a clear acceptance or non-acceptance of my challenge.

Like this:

"To Mariosep, I [you] accept your [Mariosep's] challenge, please take the initiative to explain how from babies you infer all the way to God, in concept as you put it: God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe..."

"That is from your [Mariosep's] part, please don't think that I am concurring with you on the concept of God from your part."

Tell you what, dear Stimbo,  whatever you desire how to get started with us two in my challenge and your acceptance, how you want us to get started, you take the initiative or tell me I take the initiative.

When I take the initiative, I will start with the information which you will read below so that you now have in your mind, my information on my concept of God - though of course you don't need to accept it, just that it is information only and it is in your mind: otherwise how can we at all get into our joinder of issue, if you will not even take materially in linguistic understanding the information from me on my concept of God?

Namely: God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything woth a beginning.

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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
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I'm not fussy, I'll take whatever I can get.

[Tonus]

Huh. Turns out he was propositioning you, Stim. Maybe he's a seminary student?

[Simon Moon]

Since you are a fan of science, logic and common sense that I recommend you read this book.  

New proofs for the existence of God by Robert Spitzer, eerdmans publishing.

I was given that book by a relative to read.

The title is a misrepresentation, in that, it does not contain anything new. It is just loaded with more rehashing of the same old arguments (Cosmological, teleological, etc), which have long been refuted. What science it does contain, is misinterpreted.

And even if the arguments were valid and sound (they're not), they do not lead to the conclusion for the existence of any specific god or gods.

Funny, that the actual scientists that work in the scientific fields that Spitzer referenced in his book, are over 72% atheist. Why don't the people that have dedicated their lives, work in these fields, and actually understand the science (unlike Spitzer), come to the same conclusions as Spitzer?

[Cyberman]

Huh.  Turns out he was propositioning you, Stim.  Maybe he's a seminary student?

Well if its "seminary" he wants, I've got plenty in reserve. OTOH, my standards aren't quite that low yet.

[Primordial Bisque]

Do you mean, dear Stimbo, that with these words from your latest post here, namely:

"I'm not fussy, I'll take whatever I can get."

that you are accepting my challenge for us two to exchange thoughts on God exists or not, in particular with babies from my part as evidence of causation all the way to God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?

Humorless automaton detected. I repeat...humorless automaton detected.

[Mariosep]

Well, I still have not seen the clear acceptance of my challenge by Stimbo.

So, I will just leave now for the present until tomorrow, and see whether tomorrow she puts in a clear acceptance of my challenge or puts in a clear refusal to accept my challenge.

If tomorrow she does not express acceptance nor refusal, then I will take it that she is still thinking indefinitely to accept or to refuse.

So, addressing Stimbo, you can continue indefinitely to not express a clear acceptance of my challenge or a clear refusal of my challenge, but the challenge is always present, and you can accept or refuse at your convenience, as long as I am still in this thread and still in this forum.


Now, dear readers here, I like to bring to your thinking this statement from myself, of course it is not any insight that others have not come to, except that I have put it in my own peculiar formulation, here as follows below; and I have repeated it several times in this thread because it is a good platform for the determination of God exists or not.

"The default status of the totality of reality is existence."

Now, how do we get to know existence?

We get to know existence from experience, this is the avenue by which we come to know also our each one's individual self-existence by our experience of consciousness, which consciousness itself is a habitual experience when we are in a state of consciousness.

Now, when we get together and experience each other's existence, then we get to know the existence of others like ourselves, existing in, by, through, from, and with our each one's experience of for example the physical presence of each one by himself and of everyone's else physical presence.

Then we all get to know the existence of things outside of ourselves humans, by again experiencing them, like seeing and touching the trees, etc., and seeing the sun in the daytime sky, and the moon in the night sky.

All these experiences of existence are a part of the default status of the totality of reality which is existence.

How does that lead us to come to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?

Well, dear readers here, as you are and I appreciate that very much, always reading this thread, I propose that you think on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, that will lead you to see that all our experiences of existence are the evidence of the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


And tomorrow, as I can see that Stimbo will not be forthcoming with her clear acceptance and neither her clear refusal to accept my challenge, I will take up with Simon, to resume our exchange.

Of course I will also take notice of the raving mad foul language and personal attacks from atheists here, that is the inevitable risk of entering into exchange of thoughts with internet atheists.