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RE: What gives a religion the right to claim their fantasy is correct and the rest false?
November 15, 2016 at 10:37 am
and then I say what makes YOU special in regards to your church as opposed to 999,999 other believers equally convinced THEIR respective faith is the correct one.
And then it comes down to you don't have anything else that those other 999,999 people have, and I go, yeah, I already knew that.
And then I say :
"Why don't YOU know that?"
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RE: What gives a religion the right to claim their fantasy is correct and the rest false?
November 15, 2016 at 10:48 am
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Let's not forget the infinite number of possible future denominations of an infinite number of possible religions.
Yeah, you just happened to be born into the right one. Good job! Way to beat the system 
Think what kind of small minded petty twatmonkey "god" would actually judge anyone based on which religion they are in.
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RE: What gives a religion the right to claim their fantasy is correct and the rest false?
November 15, 2016 at 11:21 am
A god that likes twatmonkey infighting?
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RE: What gives a religion the right to claim their fantasy is correct and the rest false?
November 15, 2016 at 12:55 pm
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(November 15, 2016 at 10:48 am)robvalue Wrote: Let's not forget the infinite number of possible future denominations of an infinite number of possible religions.
Yeah, you just happened to be born into the right one. Good job! Way to beat the system
Think what kind of small minded petty twatmonkey "god" would actually judge anyone based on which religion they are in.
In the Christian orbit, I don't think mathematically it's possible for an infinite number of schisms, even if there were an infinite number of quarrelsome, bickering and divisive Christians.
And my reasoning would be, there are what, 3/4 of a million words in the bible m/l. So, being generous, and assuming the bickering followers of Christ were really into schisming, there would be, in my view, the factorial of 3/4 million, to the power of 3/4 of a million.
Now granted, that is a REALLY big number, just writing it down is going to take more surface area than exists on the earth's surface even if you write really really tiny. But it's not infinite.
Now as to whether or not the body of Christ could be divvied up into that many pieces and still be taken seriously, well, we're at 70,000 give or take now, and yeah, He's getting a little beat up, but He'll get his second wind and be fine.
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RE: What gives a religion the right to claim their fantasy is correct and the rest false?
November 15, 2016 at 1:40 pm
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(November 15, 2016 at 10:34 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 15, 2016 at 2:07 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Is there that much difference between thinking 69,999 Christ based religions are false instead of 70,000 ?
^This.
As an atheist, you think 1,000,000 religions are wrong. As a Catholic I think 999,999 religions are wrong. At the end of the day, we both think WE are right and everyone else who thinks differently is wrong. Which is kind of the whole point of having an objective opinion.
As others have told you, thinking that the religious folks of this world are wrong does not mean that someone approaches the same subject from their pov and considers themselves to be right. Many atheists here will tell you, plainly and simply, in response to any question you and yours answer with "because my god" -that they don't know. It's difficult to be right -or- wrong about something you claim no knowledge of, lol.
Personally, I think that all of the religions of the world are "right", I just don't think I'm having the same conversation as religious people when considering their mythologies. I could discuss, for example, how Agni is and was the very real practice of hearth-fire burning consequent to a massive south easterly land clearing project engaged in by the people who would one day deify that same fire for all of their actual and practical reasons. Then, some religiousite will pop up and say "you're wrong"...and I'm left asking myself..."about what?". Similarly, I can very accurately describe the ideological metaphor driving the narrative devices in the story of christ and the fishes and loaves....and then some religiousite will pop up and say "you're wrong!".....and I'm left asking myself....."about -what-?". It's not even an issue of right or wrong, to me, and it's very clear that religiousites consistently conflate belief with knowledge. Only the latter can be right or wrong, sensibly...the former simply is what it is. When I'm told that I'm wrong, or someone insists that I think I'm right, they're simply referring to differences in our status of belief. This is entirely uninteresting, to me. Though it obviously means the world to many of them.
Long story short, when an agnostic atheist tells you that "you're wrong"...they're not referring to your belief, but the means by which you've arrived -at- it. If you respond by saying "you think you're right" you're only approaching that in the sense of belief, and there is no requirement of accuracy for beliefs, nor is there, likely, a valid point of disagreement with regards to the counteraccusation swung. You aren't talking about the same things. To you, what they think they're right about is some sort of "no god" statement, but that's not what an agnostic is claiming knowledge in regards to at all. Beyond that, addressing the issue of how we arrive at our beliefs, it;s not a matter of whether or not someone -thinks- they're right. Either the justification offered meets a standard or it doesn't. Even if or when it doesn't, people can and do still believe.
A slavish devotion to some sort of "you too" response isn't going to do anything to help you understand -any- of this. All it does is mask the fact that you probably aren't having the same conversation, and in and of itself this sort of respnse is entirely uninformative. Imagine, for a moment, that we're -all- doing it...whatever it is. Does that answer the question of what gives any of us the right? Is it -because- we're all doing it? I'm sure you can hear your mother asking you about a hypothetical bridge right about now, lol.
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RE: What gives a religion the right to claim their fantasy is correct and the rest false?
November 15, 2016 at 6:46 pm
To Catholic_Lady
I think you're making the mistake of thinking that my atheism towards all religions and your atheism towards most religions somehow puts us on equal footing. It does not.
I don't think any gods exist for the mere fact that there is no evidence for any gods. You think the other gods don't exist because your god must be the right one. My lack of belief in anything supernatural is based off of a real lack of evidence for the supernatural. Your lack of belief in other supernatural deities is based simply off the fact that you think your supernatural deity is the correct one to worship. Why? Because your parents made you go to church when you were younger?
Look... We can all be full of shit at times. But when it comes to religion and/or god, this is not about me thinking I'm right. But for you it is. For me, if I was presented honest, sensible data that somehow proved the existence of something 'greater than ourselves,' I would happily accept it and change my opinion based on the new evidence. If Allah was proven to be real, would you do the same? I doubt it.
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RE: What gives a religion the right to claim their fantasy is correct and the rest false?
November 15, 2016 at 9:22 pm
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Seems like there is a categorical difference between atheists rejecting every religion, and one religion rejecting all other religions.
Set R = [Christianity, Islam, Judaism]
The Atheist is claiming that something about Set R is inherently false
The Christian is claiming that set R is True, but that all elements of set R are False except for R['Christianity']
Not quite ready to post wall's of text about why I think this distinction is super important, but I'll get to it at some point.
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RE: What gives a religion the right to claim their fantasy is correct and the rest false?
November 15, 2016 at 10:45 pm
(November 14, 2016 at 10:01 pm)Casca Wrote: Science is based on evidence, facts, and theories supported by evidence and fact.
So what exactly gives one religion the leg to stand on and say "this religion is true, the rest are false", when there is no evidence or fact to back up their claim?
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What gives a religion the right to claim their fantasy is correct and the rest false?
November 15, 2016 at 11:19 pm
(November 14, 2016 at 10:14 pm)Aegon Wrote: (November 14, 2016 at 10:10 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Our prophet can beat up your prophet
Don't fux with Jesus, bro
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RE: What gives a religion the right to claim their fantasy is correct and the rest false?
November 16, 2016 at 2:04 am
(November 15, 2016 at 12:55 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: (November 15, 2016 at 10:48 am)robvalue Wrote: Let's not forget the infinite number of possible future denominations of an infinite number of possible religions.
Yeah, you just happened to be born into the right one. Good job! Way to beat the system
Think what kind of small minded petty twatmonkey "god" would actually judge anyone based on which religion they are in.
In the Christian orbit, I don't think mathematically it's possible for an infinite number of schisms, even if there were an infinite number of quarrelsome, bickering and divisive Christians.
And my reasoning would be, there are what, 3/4 of a million words in the bible m/l. So, being generous, and assuming the bickering followers of Christ were really into schisming, there would be, in my view, the factorial of 3/4 million, to the power of 3/4 of a million.
Now granted, that is a REALLY big number, just writing it down is going to take more surface area than exists on the earth's surface even if you write really really tiny. But it's not infinite.
Now as to whether or not the body of Christ could be divvied up into that many pieces and still be taken seriously, well, we're at 70,000 give or take now, and yeah, He's getting a little beat up, but He'll get his second wind and be fine.
Oh yeah, good point You'd have thought 40,000 contradictory versions of the same religion would be enough to discredit the whole thing by now. I wonder what number it has to reach before people start to worry?
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