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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison
November 18, 2016 at 9:02 am
(November 18, 2016 at 8:53 am)The Joker Wrote: (November 18, 2016 at 8:51 am)robvalue Wrote: You lack belief that I have intelligence? Okay. Random insults?
How is it an insult to lack belief that you have intelligence?
(November 18, 2016 at 8:53 am)Whateverist Wrote: Parsimony. I lack belief in your fanciful fairy tale for the same reason we both lack belief in all the others. Attributing origins to magic is not an intellectually satisfying sort of explanation. But if it works for you, then any of the fairy tales from any time or place in history will do as well as any other.
Same here, I lack belief that you have intelligence.
I have no doubt that you lack the means to make that determination.
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison
November 18, 2016 at 9:04 am
Yes, you're perfectly entitled to screw around and try to be ironic rather than address any of our points. And I'm entitled to put you on ignore if that's your plan.
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison
November 18, 2016 at 9:04 am
(November 18, 2016 at 7:57 am)The Joker Wrote: (November 18, 2016 at 7:25 am)robvalue Wrote: Where did I say that? I didn't specify any of the events. I'm not saying I have a record of all the events. Just that "at random" implies there are no rules, causation or models that can be used. This is clearly not the case.
Not having all the information isn't license to pick up the nearest story book and proclaim it fact.
So are you implying that we can't know, whether God exists or Not?
That is pretty much true of anything essentially defined as unknowable, ineffable or undefinable. Yeah, it's unknowable. But don't lose any sleep over it. Shit like that makes no difference.
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison
November 18, 2016 at 9:07 am
(November 18, 2016 at 9:04 am)Whateverist Wrote: (November 18, 2016 at 7:57 am)The Joker Wrote: So are you implying that we can't know, whether God exists or Not?
That is pretty much true of anything essentially defined as unknowable, ineffable or undefinable. Yeah, it's unknowable. But don't lose any sleep over it. Shit like that makes no difference.
We have a problem. Since I do not affirm or deny that you are intelligent, I also lack belief that you can properly weigh any evidence that is presented to you regarding God's existence because, according to my subjective experience and preferences, I have not seen sufficient evidence from you that convinces me of your objectivity and cognitive prowess. Therefore, I lack belief in your competence and await further dialogue with you. Perhaps further dialogue might subjectively convince me that your intelligence exists or does not exist.
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison
November 18, 2016 at 9:08 am
I don't much care what your opinion of me is, man. It's irrelevant to the discussion. You might want to get onto defining what you're talking about, we haven't even got that far.
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison
November 18, 2016 at 9:08 am
I lack the belief that this thread is going to go anywhere at all.
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison
November 18, 2016 at 9:08 am
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Some joker Wrote:Perhaps further dialogue might subjectively convince me that your intelligence exists or does not exist.
But more likely you simply lack the capacity to make that determination as I said before.
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison
November 18, 2016 at 9:09 am
(November 18, 2016 at 9:07 am)The Joker Wrote: (November 18, 2016 at 9:04 am)Whateverist Wrote: That is pretty much true of anything essentially defined as unknowable, ineffable or undefinable. Yeah, it's unknowable. But don't lose any sleep over it. Shit like that makes no difference.
We have a problem. Since I do not affirm or deny that you are intelligent, I also lack belief that you can properly weigh any evidence that is presented to you regarding God's existence because, according to my subjective experience and preferences, I have not seen sufficient evidence from you that convinces me of your objectivity and cognitive prowess. Therefore, I lack belief in your competence and await further dialogue with you. Perhaps further dialogue might subjectively convince me that your intelligence exists or does not exist.
So you've started trolling us before even defining what you're talking about. Congrats, welcome to the ignore list. We get it. You're trying to use our own positions against us. Very clever. See you.
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison
November 18, 2016 at 9:10 am
(November 18, 2016 at 8:46 am)Tazzycorn Wrote: (November 18, 2016 at 4:48 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Yeah, if for instance God of Bible was real then we would see angels flying around; bad people like child molesters punished by thunders from heaven, diseases or maybe sudden death; we would see good people being rewarded and healed by praying and not the other way around like it is.
If the god of the bible were real, then child molesters would be good people, as long as they paid dowry to the girl's father.
Yeah I should have noted that I meant "Jefferson Bible".
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison
November 18, 2016 at 9:10 am
(November 18, 2016 at 9:08 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't much care what your opinion of me is, man. It's irrelevant to the discussion. You might want to get onto defining what you're talking about, we haven't even got that far.
It sounds to me like you are openly rejecting all of them, not just neither affirming or denying any of them.
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