Atheism and Theism Comparison

[ApeNotKillApe]

No, I don't. Not in the sense you are suggesting. It happened as a result of a series of events, following the laws of reality. It may even have been inevitable.

Considering that it happened, it's self-evidently inevitable.

[The Joker]

The Easiest and simplest way to prove God’s existence is to Prove Evolution to be False.

Moosecock!

The easiest and simplest way to prove God's existence is to provide evidence of its existence; something we both know you can't do. The reason I know this is because if there were any evidence it would be forced down the nonbeliever's throat with impunity. The reason I can safely say you know this is because you have to resort to proving God by disproving evolution, which irrationally ignores the possibility of God and evolution; simply fucking stupid.

Provide evidence or kindly cork your pie hole.

Easy there with the insults I'm not offended and besides why get angry, doesn't this prove that you are being passionate to disapprove God's existence? 

The easiest and simplest way to prove God's existence is to provide evidence of its existence. But there is lot lot easier way to do it. Disapprove the theory of Naturalistic Evolution and this automatically Proves God existence or Prove Evolution and you automatically disapprove God's existence.

The two options.

A)Prove Naturalistic Evolution to be true and you take out God's existence because this shows a natural explanation of how everything came into existence without the assistance of the supernatural.
B)Take out Naturalistic Evolution and the existence of God is automatically Proven.

Because its either,

A):We came here by an accident without true meaning or purpose but just some random living organism in space, Or
B):God created us with a meaning and purpose to life, not including our private wants.

[ApeNotKillApe]

Or maybe God created people for no reason.

[The Joker]

Or maybe God created people for no reason.

Possibly, But this depends on which religion is the true religion of God.

[ApeNotKillApe]

It's Zeus. Zeus did it.

[robvalue]

No, I don't. Not in the sense you are suggesting. It happened as a result of a series of events, following the laws of reality. It may even have been inevitable.

So you're saying it was caused by aliens or something deliberately?

Where did I say that? I didn't specify any of the events. I'm not saying I have a record of all the events. Just that "at random" implies there are no rules, causation or models that can be used. This is clearly not the case.

Not having all the information isn't license to pick up the nearest story book and proclaim it fact.

[The Joker]

So you're saying it was caused by aliens or something deliberately?

Where did I say that? I didn't specify any of the events. I'm not saying I have a record of all the events. Just that "at random" implies there are no rules, causation or models that can be used. This is clearly not the case.

Not having all the information isn't license to pick up the nearest story book and proclaim it fact.

So are you implying that we can't know, whether God exists or Not?

[robvalue]

I don't know what God is, as you haven't defined it.

I didn't say that at all, but yes, it appears we cannot know whether this reality was created by an intelligence or was not.

[The Joker]

I don't know what God is, as you haven't defined it.

I didn't say that at all, but yes, it appears we cannot know whether this reality was created by an intelligence or was not.

I will define God but tell me, do you lack belief in God because you don't know whether this reality was created by an intelligence or was not?

[robvalue]

I'm saying that it seems impossible to tell whether it was created by an intelligence or not, by anyone. Not that I just happen to not have this information. We're trapped inside the thing we wish to study, and we have no control subject. Attempts to draw conclusions from reality itself from the contents of the same reality is the fallacy of composition; it doesn't follow.

I lack belief in a creator because I see no evidence of one. It seems to be the case that there couldn't even be evidence of one. But I'm always open to being convinced otherwise.

The nearest I could say is if a bunch of stuff started happening which looked very much like direct intervention from an outside agent, that would be potential evidence. But still, it's difficult to form a testable hypothesis. That still wouldn't show that the agent created this reality, just that it could influence it.

More importantly, I don't care if something created this reality, or why, beyond simple curiosity.