Feelings aside, what would be the difference?

[Tonus]

I can tell you right now how much effort Trump will put into job and economic growth, nada. He's wedded to the supply side, trickle down bullshittery that the Chicago school have been peddling to governments since the CIA shot Allende and installed Pinochet.

That's why I think we could see a short-term boost in the economy and the markets. If the belief among big business is that his administration --and Republican leadership in various states-- will be willing to offer tax breaks and subsidies, they'll sign up and things will go well for a short time. But I think the markets are overdue for a modest correction that will become less modest the longer it takes to happen, and the job growth of the last few years could stall if the correction turns out to be a recession. I'm hopeful that the fed will approve an interest rate hike this month, even though it might be what starts the market into a downswing.

My main long-term concern with Trump is how his SCOTUS picks will affect us. I don't think he'll work to strip rights from Americans, at least not on the level many people are afraid that he will. And he doesn't seem interested in rolling back human/civil rights in any case. To the extent that he does damage in that area, it depends on how hard the Republicans are able to twist his arm. Overall, I think he'll do less damage than feared, which is typical for US presidents (remember that conservatives were certain that Obama was the one who would strip away our rights and establish a leftist dictatorship). But the extreme right will not need him if the high court ends up with a 6-3 conservative majority. They can wait for the time and circumstances to be ideal and they will look for cases they can bring to the SC to try to force creationism into schools and repeal gay marriage and pot legalization and abortion and any number of issues that they feel are leading to "the decline of the USA."

[Anomalocaris]

In 4 years from now, what would be the difference between a Trump America or a Hillary America?

I don't care to hear how much you hate him or her as that has been discussed to death. What would be real tangible differences in everything around you?

The difference would be between a severely stressed democratic republic under Hillary, and an irremediably failing banana republic under a tinpot crass showman Strongman under trump.

[abaris]

The difference would be between a severely stressed democratic republic under Hillary,  and an irremediably failing banana republic under a tinpot crass showman Strongman under trump.

Apart from every human shitstain feeling free to finally let lose on their most primitive instints, everything else is consulting the crystal ball. The obvious difference is loudmouthed bully vs intellectual political professional. The results are still open. Again, apart from primitives feeling justified in letting lose.

In any case, come Janurary, the intellegence level in the White House will drop significantly. Maybe to sub zero.

[Faith No More]

Well, the most obvious one is that we will have a much larger defecit each year because of Trump's tax plan. To the tune of half a trillion larger per year.

Of course, Republicans only care about deficits when a Deomcrat is in office.

[CapnAwesome]

With Pence involved, LGBT rights will be the tangible difference that impact me most personally.

The Vice President has exactly 0 ability to change a settled Supreme Court decision. So I doubt it.

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Of course, Republicans only care about deficits when a Deomcrat is in office.

And vice versa.

[Jesster]

With Pence involved, LGBT rights will be the tangible difference that impact me most personally.

The Vice President has exactly 0 ability to change a settled Supreme Court decision. So I doubt it.

The supreme court has only tackled same sex marriage. There are plenty of other concerns still on the table.

[CapnAwesome]

The Vice President has exactly 0 ability to change a settled Supreme Court decision. So I doubt it.

The supreme court has only tackled same sex marriage. There are plenty of other concerns still on the table.

None of which the Vice President can change. What exactly do you think he can do?

[Jesster]

The supreme court has only tackled same sex marriage. There are plenty of other concerns still on the table.

None of which the Vice President can change. What exactly do you think he can do?

I don't know what he can do, but it's far more than he could before. You're acting like the VP is powerless, though. That's far from the truth.

[CapnAwesome]

None of which the Vice President can change. What exactly do you think he can do?

I don't know what he can do, but it's far more than he could before. You're acting like the VP is powerless, though. That's far from the truth.

Well maybe you should look into the powers of the Vice President and assuage your fears a little. It doesn't seem very rational to be afraid and not know why. I'm not saying you are wrong, but making a claim as strong as the Vice President is going to repeal lgbt rights or fight new ones is a pretty strong claim that needs pretty strong evidence. Specifically whether or not he even can.

[Jesster]

I don't know what he can do, but it's far more than he could before. You're acting like the VP is powerless, though. That's far from the truth.

Well maybe you should look into the powers of the Vice President and assuage your fears a little. It doesn't seem very rational to be afraid and not know why.

I think you misunderstood me. I know what the powers of the VP are and that is why I have my fears. The VP is both an adviser to the president and is the president of the senate. As president of the senate, that also gives him full decision of senate tie-breakers.

Yeah, that's enough for me. How far will he take it though? I don't know. All I know is what he has attempted before.