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RE: Why Didn't Jesus Write?
December 14, 2016 at 2:31 am
Depends on what he wrote, I suppose.
I mean he writes "Here's how you cure cancer" and it works, it'd be hard not to find it more trustworthy. He writes "Treat people with love and compassion" and left it at that? Fuck yeah, totally more trustworthy. Maybe he'd explain the whole sacrificing himself to himself to save us all from what he's going to do to us if we don't believe in him. I mean if Jesus were god... why the fuck did he leave it up to his followers to write it for us? I mean one fuck up and everyone goes to hell in this hypothetical.
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RE: Why Didn't Jesus Write?
December 14, 2016 at 4:08 am
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Isn't the reason why he didn't write was because (of course if he existed) he was just a guy that was announcing the end of the world? If you read the gospels you can see that he said his vengeful second coming would occur before the death of most the people who were living at that time. It was the basis of a good deal of His "moral" teaching. Like "Take no thought for the morrow," and things of that sort, it was very largely because He thought the second coming was going to be very soon, and that all ordinary mundane affairs did not count.
So why write? Why make anything permanent when all will be destroyed anyway very soon? It's not like it was for generations after them.
But you know how it is with "end of the world stories" they became popular and started spreading and may have died down if there wasn't brutal dictator and Roman emperor Constantine, who who used Christianity for his own self-aggrandizing means.
You must understand that the ruling class saw Roman Empire in 300s as a mess: there were too many people following too many religions speaking too many languages. Culturally, politically, religiously and in every other way, hardly anything brought unity to the empire. The confusion was so intense that it was not unusual for multiple people to claim the title of emperor at the same time. Civil wars were a norm. So Constantine decided to use religion so that his citizens became loyal to him. To create myths that will give them a sense of identity with him and each other. Especially since monotheism preached the need for all to worship a single source of authority, so it would be the easiest way to ax multiculturalism in Rome.
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RE: Why Didn't Jesus Write?
December 14, 2016 at 6:47 am
(December 13, 2016 at 6:15 pm)Cecelia Wrote: According to the Bible Jesus could write, because he wrote something in the sand at some point. Then again maybe he couldn't because we don't learn what he wrote, so maybe it was illegible. They just assumed it was angelic writing, so they were like "He Wrote In The Sand!"
Maybe he was drawing naughty pictures and the bible writers, in a fit of embarrasment, changed the line.
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RE: Why Didn't Jesus Write?
December 14, 2016 at 8:43 am
(December 14, 2016 at 2:31 am)Divinity Wrote: I mean if Jesus were god... why the fuck did he leave it up to his followers to write it for us? I mean one fuck up and everyone goes to hell in this hypothetical.
Oh, but they were 'inspired' by the Holy Spirit, or some such twaddle. What could possibly go wrong? Just believe them!
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RE: Why Didn't Jesus Write?
December 14, 2016 at 8:58 am
(December 13, 2016 at 11:33 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Even in my era, grade school learnin' was summarized as the 3 'Rs', readin', ritin', and rithmetic.
Reading and writing, while taught at the same time to our children, are separate skills, and 'back in the day' being able to read was absolutely no guaranty that someone had the ability to write.
In Jesus time, men who could write (who would waste time teaching a girl to write?) made big bucks from their skills. Then as now, contracts and business needs were pressing, and being able to write stuff down was a prized ability.
BTW, Jesus probably wasn't a carpenter, the actual words translated to 'carpenter' from the old writings don't really mean 'carpenter'. The probable true occupation of Jesus was most likely just being someone who worked with his hands. Like moving stuff around, or a helper to someone with some actual skills, like plumbing, stone work, or even carpentry.
IIRC, the carpenter thing regarding Jesus is more likely a theological assertion being a parallel between working with wood as he worked with people. Also, there is the obvious tie between carpentry and being crucified on a wooden cross.
So Jesus couldn't write, and he probably wasn't a carpenter.
I suppose if one were to sincerely believe incorrectly either of those false assertions, it could be concluded that individual was not in fact worshipping or believing in The One True Jesus, and was or will be damned to eternal torment upon their death . . . This is assuming that Jesus was even a real person.
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RE: Why Didn't Jesus Write?
December 14, 2016 at 9:11 am
(December 13, 2016 at 11:16 am)Athena777 Wrote: I don't understand why Jesus didn't just write the information himself.
May be he didn't pay his internet bill and for this reason he couldn't write it himself.
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RE: Why Didn't Jesus Write?
December 14, 2016 at 10:04 am
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(December 14, 2016 at 12:33 am)vorlon13 Wrote: The writing in the sand Jesus is recorded doing by John content wasn't recorded in the Bible, and I'd wonder if any of the witnesses to it were literate to the extent to be able to discern mere 'doodles' from Jesus noodling out the Pythagorean theorem for example.
Or perhaps he was etching the equivalent of "PHARISEES SUCK LOL" and a stick figure sucking on a huge penis. If you're going to be beaten and crucified, you might at well earn it.
(December 14, 2016 at 2:31 am)Divinity Wrote: I mean he writes "Here's how you cure cancer" and it works, it'd be hard not to find it more trustworthy.
On the other hand, if it was anything like "here's how you cure leprosy" I wouldn't be optimistic.
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RE: Why Didn't Jesus Write?
December 14, 2016 at 10:25 am
(December 14, 2016 at 8:58 am)operator Wrote: (December 13, 2016 at 11:33 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Even in my era, grade school learnin' was summarized as the 3 'Rs', readin', ritin', and rithmetic.
Reading and writing, while taught at the same time to our children, are separate skills, and 'back in the day' being able to read was absolutely no guaranty that someone had the ability to write.
In Jesus time, men who could write (who would waste time teaching a girl to write?) made big bucks from their skills. Then as now, contracts and business needs were pressing, and being able to write stuff down was a prized ability.
BTW, Jesus probably wasn't a carpenter, the actual words translated to 'carpenter' from the old writings don't really mean 'carpenter'. The probable true occupation of Jesus was most likely just being someone who worked with his hands. Like moving stuff around, or a helper to someone with some actual skills, like plumbing, stone work, or even carpentry.
IIRC, the carpenter thing regarding Jesus is more likely a theological assertion being a parallel between working with wood as he worked with people. Also, there is the obvious tie between carpentry and being crucified on a wooden cross.
So Jesus couldn't write, and he probably wasn't a carpenter.
I suppose if one were to sincerely believe incorrectly either of those false assertions, it could be concluded that individual was not in fact worshipping or believing in The One True Jesus, and was or will be damned to eternal torment upon their death . . . This is assuming that Jesus was even a real person.
Indeed, from our perspective,
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for tuning a reply to a Christer audience, we can throw them a 'bone' so to speak, and let Jesus stand, and note it doesn't help their endless and eternal (and fruitless) quest for proof of their faith either a jot or a tittle because of all the other cock ups, screw ups, folderol, contradictions, errors, and tomfoolery inerrantly recorded in their own Holy Book.
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RE: Why Didn't Jesus Write?
December 14, 2016 at 12:37 pm
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RE: Why Didn't Jesus Write?
December 14, 2016 at 12:55 pm
If jeebus was son of god, how come he didn't know that the world, in fact, wasn't about to end? Or, did he know but simply lied to attract followers desperate to win god approval before it ended? Liar for daddy?
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