So beautiful. And so he loves beauty too.

[Minimalist]

I noticed that theist take such Grand objectives, that pretty soon their agony get so strong, that trying to "fuck" the minds of other people becomes one of the few joys they have left.

Atlas, if you decided to "fuck" your mind in order to get to heaven, do so if you wish, but could you keep this acidic shit to yourself?

I personally, don't see a point in this voluntary, light "self-inflicted mind torture with the fear of hell". You say "You will go to heaven! If you endure!". I say "Fuck this divine business".

Your fucking 'god' is no different than his dumb shit. Don't get uppity.

[Mr Greene]

The Quran is the last holy book sent down from the one God, to define the above sin of separating the one into many; or "Shirk" in Arabic.
What it means to be heathen, and so did many believed in Shirk.

Tell it to the Sikhs.

[Chas]

The Quran is the last holy book sent down from the one God, ...

Tell it to the Mormons.

[Astreja]

(Springy G shuffles papers on desk, displacing 3 tennis balls, a flashlight and a USB cable)  Got a holy book *I* wrote somewhere around here...

[ignoramus]

Our friend has dropped a metric shit-tonne of unfounded assertions, as usual, but this little nugget is pure gold:

He is not an invasion force that wants to enslave you; instead think about gravity for example: if you disobey the gravitational force you perish.

Since nobody in the history of humanity has ever "disobeyed the gravitational force", this is an absurdly nonsensical statement. Physical laws are descriptive, not proscriptive. They are not laws that you can break; there's no interdimensional police force coming to slap a fine on your arse.

Stim, not bad. Still not as good as my sig though...
Atlas' posts should be read strictly as entertainment as I discovered long ago.
The guy is not well. Then again, neither is MK and I like him too...

[ReptilianPeon]

Consider this: Allah actually prevented millions of people from receiving truth. How? Well, all those topical diseases present in Africa (which the creator created, of course) prevented the various caliphates (and Europeans) from exploring the interior of the continent (specifically sub-Saharan Africa), until effective medicines were found. That means the following:

1. Many Da'i died from topical diseases that they became ill with whilst trying to do Dawah in Africa.

2. For hundreds of years the Ummah was prevented from doing Dawah and relaying "the truth" to millions of people. That means that the Thawab of many Da'i not increasing as much as it could. So even if we assume that people who have not had a chance to hear "the truth" will not go to the hellfire, people are getting less reward because the pyramid scheme started by Muhammad is not growing!

3. All those Da'is dying will have effected people's Iman.


Plus, it was the Europeans who "discovered" the Americas, not the caliphate. So because the Europeans arrived first, that's millions more people who stayed in an jahiliyyah - to this very day. You'd think Allah would want to make it easy for people to hear "the truth" right?

[WinterHold]

[Astreja]

I will tell you: God made the function called the universe; supplied it with the arguments that is fate; its creation was through a big bang.
That's what I understood from the Quran.
About him though; the idea of monotheism is that he is the creator of all. There is no others.

I don't believe you.

At all.

I think that your god is a fiction, and that the universe is 100% of natural origin with no sentient designer.

If you did manage to prove that there was a sentient designer, though, the very next thing I would ask you is "So where did the designer come from?"  You can't just say "Well, the designer was always there, for eternity."  IMO, an entity capable of complex thought is much more unlikely than relatively disorganized matter/energy, so I think it more likely that matter/energy is eternal and gods were created from it, not the other way around.

[Tonus]

Tonus

That's only your lunges. What about your mind and logic? they need to surrender too.

So... when you said that I surrender with every breath, you were only referring to my lungs? Do my eyelids surrender with every blink? Does my rectum surrender with every bowel movement? If the latter is true, would you say that surrendering to God is easier after a particularly spicy meal?

[robvalue]

Errrr.....

Did you mean to refer to me above Atlas? You appear to be having a conversation with yourself.