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So beautiful. And so he loves beauty too.
RE: So beautiful. And so he loves beauty too.
(27th December 2016, 00:27)Tonus Wrote:
(26th December 2016, 20:58)AtlasS33 Wrote: You trust historical sources that much?

Historical sources?  You mean information gleaned from ancient writings?  I suppose it's fair to say that we shouldn't place too much trust in them, yes.

No; it's the logic that the Quran presents.
RE: So beautiful. And so he loves beauty too.
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RE: So beautiful. And so he loves beauty too.
I like you Atlas, I think you're a nice guy.

I wish you'd join in discussions on other non-religious subjects. You're kind of banging your head against a brick wall with this stuff, and it's a shame.
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RE: So beautiful. And so he loves beauty too.
Rob, I also find that with others too like MK.
They're nice enough people but culturally, they are so absorbed in religion that there's not much to chit chat about...???

Are their countries technically 1st world countries? Maybe they have much more pressing issues...

(My current pressing issue right now is which gaming monitor to buy? G-Sync or Freesync (heaps cheaper) IPS (5ms) or TN screen (1ms but less colour))
And don't even start me on size and resolution! My brain has turned to mush! No wonder people turn to religion! lol!
Quote:AtlasS33 wrote:
"When it comes to the deiety I worship, he sent a book, it contained a message. I took that message, tested it, then I realized he is God : it didn't break against reality."
Pulse Wrote:
~ Atheism seems so incredibly counter intuitive, that to even begin to take it seriously, one has to suspend all logic."
Godscreated Wrote:
~ Magic is an illusion, what God does isn't an illusion it is real and unexplainable. If you mean I would call it a miracle, you're right."

Religion: making the uncomfortable comfortable for thousands of years.
RE: So beautiful. And so he loves beauty too.
Atlas, before the Europeans (and Arabs) war in Africa was very ritualistic. Casualties were few and people mainly exchanged insults and they did not destroy the houses of other tribes. The main prizes were cattle and small bits of land (for the cattle to graze on). You could even say the Africans were quite peaceful compared to European standards.

The far richer foreigners, with all of their advanced technology meant more war was inevitable. The Europeans gave better crops, which increased the population of Africa and they traded for cattle, which meant cattle were even more valuable. Therefore, they fought each other even more. They also wanted ivory and hunting elephants with spears is no easy task, so they had to "modernize" their combat strategies.

Then the foreigners with their religions which say they have a monopoly on truth is a very alien concept to Africans. African religions, such as Voodoo, tend to borrow concepts from various places. Their religions are not strict like yours The Africans happily lived with each other. They were not savages; the Arabs and Europeans turned the people into savages with their alien ideas.

Good video (part one of four):


Formally known as MRNMP...

Did you know that somebody born in space (e.g. on Mars) will NEVER be able to conduct Hajj or Umrah because the gravity of the Earth will be too much for their bodies to handle? You can forget about giving Dawah to Luke Skywalker, because he will never be able to visit Mecca. If you have to retrofit the Quran then that should be a clear a sign as any that your religion is not the right one. And that's the Quran debunked. Easy.
RE: So beautiful. And so he loves beauty too.
(27th December 2016, 02:58)AtlasS33 Wrote: No; it's the logic that the Quran presents.

That would be the logic that cannot bring together the disparate groups that follow the same book, right? That instead drives such wedges between them that it leads to bloodletting?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
RE: So beautiful. And so he loves beauty too.
Honestly Atlas, your intentions, although in vain, I understand. If you want to attempt to prove your deity based on the fact that many different ancient groups shared religious concepts, I will refute you by talking about the psychological "God Complex." It's not the proper term, but it is an actual scientific phenomena which argues that humans have an instinctual desire to place faith in things they don't understand or comprehend. In the times of major Mesopotamian, Greek, and Native-American civilizations, mankind didn't know about things such as Gravity, Physics, Cosmic Radiation, or Meteorology. This would have meant in, for example, the case of a flood, early man may have thought it was the work of a Higher Power we cannot see. I believe this theory is proven by The Epic of Gilgamesh. The use of Gods in this poem enforces that religion has always been used as a way to explain unusual events which can now be explained via science. These are just my opinions though.
Speaking of that: The Epic of Gilgamesh references The Great Flood, a religious cliche that translated to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam
Paul was a misogynist: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 1st Timothy 2:11-13

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