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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 13, 2017 at 8:31 am
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Basically, it's all just saying "you can't have a domino rally without some dude to flick the first one".
There are various problems with the initial assumptions, and then the logic applied isn't even correct. The conclusions don't match up. Some of it doesn't even make sense. It's a shambles. Maybe it was somewhat impressive in 8000 BC or whenever this Aquaman guy lived. If this converted anyone into belief in God, I'd be seriously concerned about them.
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 13, 2017 at 9:43 am
(January 13, 2017 at 6:45 am)chimp3 Wrote: I guess I have not been paying attention. This is the first time I have heard of the 5 Ways.
There's a Five Ways in Birmingham. It's got all sorts of retail and leisure facilities. Beats nine colours of shit out of anything Aquinas ever did.
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 14, 2017 at 10:10 am
(January 13, 2017 at 6:45 am)chimp3 Wrote: I guess I have not been paying attention. This is the first time I have heard of the 5 Ways.
They are designed to indicate that a god is necessary for our reality to exist and to work as it does. It's the ultimate 'gaps' approach to believing in god.
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 14, 2017 at 10:17 am
They actually weren't designed to do that. That's how modern believers often misapply them, but hey, what can you do.
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 16, 2017 at 1:25 pm
(January 13, 2017 at 8:31 am)robvalue Wrote: Basically, it's all just saying "you can't have a domino rally without some dude to flick the first one".
There are various problems with the initial assumptions, and then the logic applied isn't even correct. The conclusions don't match up. Some of it doesn't even make sense. It's a shambles. Maybe it was somewhat impressive in 8000 BC or whenever this Aquaman guy lived. If this converted anyone into belief in God, I'd be seriously concerned about them.
Beautiful reply. "Aquaman" was my favorite part.
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 16, 2017 at 2:51 pm
Thank you 
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 18, 2017 at 5:02 am
I'm sick of hearing about any sort of "logical proofs" that attempt to prove the existence of god.
Any time I hear some vague statement like "Our sense prove to us that some things are in motion" I die a little bit inside.
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 18, 2017 at 12:52 pm
(January 18, 2017 at 5:02 am)AceBoogie Wrote: I'm sick of hearing about any sort of "logical proofs" that attempt to prove the existence of god.
Any time I hear some vague statement like "Our sense prove to us that some things are in motion" I die a little bit inside.
Man, am I glad I found this forum. Every once in a while I like to talk to intelligent people.
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 18, 2017 at 4:17 pm
(January 18, 2017 at 12:52 pm)Asmodee Wrote: (January 18, 2017 at 5:02 am)AceBoogie Wrote: I'm sick of hearing about any sort of "logical proofs" that attempt to prove the existence of god.
Any time I hear some vague statement like "Our sense prove to us that some things are in motion" I die a little bit inside.
Man, am I glad I found this forum. Every once in a while I like to talk to intelligent people.
I'd like to talk to intelligent theists but I have yet to find a single example of that breed.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 18, 2017 at 4:29 pm
(January 18, 2017 at 4:17 pm)Cephus Wrote: (January 18, 2017 at 12:52 pm)Asmodee Wrote: Man, am I glad I found this forum. Every once in a while I like to talk to intelligent people.
I'd like to talk to intelligent theists but I have yet to find a single example of that breed.
I talked to one just a week or two ago. Highly intelligent, in fact. One of those people whose brains don't work like yours and mine, very socially inept, talks as if he is starved for intelligent discourse. He said he came to his theism after doing a pretty thorough investigation of many religions and didn't have a specific "faith". He claimed to be currently in the middle of a second look at it to make sure he got it right the first time. He didn't hold most of the bigoted beliefs the highly religious tend to. I was introduced to his thought process by a paper he wrote for his philosophy class, for instance, in which he tore to shreds someone's claim that homosexuality was inherently immoral, and did so brilliantly. I dare say he may be vastly more intelligent than me. Not that I'm a genius or anything, but living in pig fucker country, it's not something I run into often.
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