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I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!

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I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 11, 2017 at 1:35 pm
Waiting for Chad.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 11, 2017 at 2:13 pm
(January 11, 2017 at 12:51 pm)Asmodee Wrote: All right, I’m sick to death of hearing about this late Medieval “Five Ways” or “Five Proofs” bullshit.  So it’s time to go through it and tear it apart.


Just another way for theists to believe they have a rational reason to believe the irrational.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 11, 2017 at 2:46 pm
I think of it as a cloaking device for irrationality.

Pure rationality is such a will-o-the-wisp for anyone no matter how little self knowledge we may have. It makes me wonder why more theists don't take the tack: "I'll just stick to my brand of irrationality and you stick to yours". Rather than dress this sort of crazy up this way.
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 11, 2017 at 3:25 pm
(January 11, 2017 at 1:35 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Waiting for Chad.


Of course he will say that Asmodee does not understand the 5 Ways, so he is arguing against a strawman.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 11, 2017 at 3:27 pm (This post was last modified: January 11, 2017 at 3:29 pm by JuliaL.)
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? Huh
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 11, 2017 at 3:36 pm (This post was last modified: January 11, 2017 at 4:19 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 11, 2017 at 3:39 pm
Ah, there he is. Now the entertainment can begin. Popcorn
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 11, 2017 at 3:40 pm
I notice how you linked the debate where you "won".
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 11, 2017 at 4:18 pm
(January 11, 2017 at 3:40 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I notice how you linked the debate where you "won".

The only reason I did the debate was to provide a resource to which I could point others. Misunderstandings about the 5 Ways are legion (see OP).
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RE: I'm sick of hearing about the "Five Ways"!
January 11, 2017 at 4:31 pm
None of the 5 ways actually demonstrate anything.
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