Doubt in disbelief

[Thumpalumpacus]

Reminds me of fasting.
Don't eat for several days and just pray and read the Bible. You'll enter a spiritual realm where you can see things that you're normally incapable of seeing, ya know, because you're healthy.

Much as Native Americans would practice rituals like the smoke ceremony or being strung up by the skin to aid receiving visions.

[Cephus]

Hello i wish to engage in a conversation with someone. I recently heard of evidence for belief and that is not good news atleast for me i would like an discussion with an open minded person please.

You'll get lots of people claiming there is evidence for the legitimacy of belief, you just can't ever get any of them to actually present said evidence, mostly because it doesn't actually exist.  Is this something you need to talk about?

[Autolite]

Hell I don't pay it much mind when loads of people swear they've been abducted by aliens in the night nowadays.  

The "abducted by aliens" thing was most likely a Sleep Paralysis episode (AKA Old Hag Syndrome).  I am quite familiar with this as I experience it myself from time to time.  The hallucinations can be visual, auditory, tactile or a combination but they can seem very real and they can sometimes be quite terrifying.   

If you every have an episode yourself, you will understand why some people will believe in things like ghosts, demons and aliens.  It's really just all in your head though.  It's nothing more than a benign and harmless stress and fatigue induced sleep disorder but it will freak you out if you don't understand what is actually going on...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

[QUOTE]The Nightmare is a 2015 documentary that discusses the causes of sleep paralysis as seen through extensive interviews with participants, and the experiences are re-enacted by professional actors. In synopsis, it proposes that such cultural memes as alien abduction, the near death experience and shadow people can, in many cases, be attributed to sleep paralysis. {/QUOTE]

[ignoramus]

I was there! I saw it too!

I saw a kid riding a bike with something in the basket fly across the sun! Or was it the moon? I can't remember...

[pocaracas]

I'm Portuguese. I've read the account published on the newspaper the day after the event. Not convinced.
At best, sooner people saw the sun wobbling in the sky... While people right next to them saw nothing.

So, I'd wager that there's a better explanation to the phenomenon than good did it. If God did it, then everyone would have seen the same thing.

The place is called "Cova da Iria", cova meaning Hole in the ground.
It's a hole, a large dip, which after the heavy rain of that morning and the hot sun that followed, would produce some nice up-draft of moist air... The kind that produces mirages...
Do you know what a mirage is?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Stare at the sun, you get visions. Put your hand in a mangle, you get fingers that look like raw carne asada. *shrug*

Boru

[vorlon13]

colorful metaphor there !

[Cephus]

I'm Portuguese. I've read the account published on the newspaper the day after the event. Not convinced.
At best, sooner people saw the sun wobbling in the sky... While people right next to them saw nothing.

So, I'd wager that there's a better explanation to the phenomenon than good did it. If God did it, then everyone would have seen the same thing.

The place is called "Cova da Iria", cova meaning Hole in the ground.
It's a hole, a large dip, which after the heavy rain of that morning and the hot sun that followed, would produce some nice up-draft of moist air... The kind that produces mirages...
Do you know what a mirage is?

Not only would everyone at the site have seen the same thing, but so too would everyone on the planet.  The sun can't just wobble in one place and be still in another.  That means that something else is going on.

[Alex K]

I'm Portuguese. I've read the account published on the newspaper the day after the event. Not convinced.
At best, sooner people saw the sun wobbling in the sky... While people right next to them saw nothing.

So, I'd wager that there's a better explanation to the phenomenon than good did it. If God did it, then everyone would have seen the same thing.

The place is called "Cova da Iria", cova meaning Hole in the ground.
It's a hole, a large dip, which after the heavy rain of that morning and the hot sun that followed, would produce some nice up-draft of moist air... The kind that produces mirages...
Do you know what a mirage is?

Not only would everyone at the site have seen the same thing, but so too would everyone on the planet.  The sun can't just wobble in one place and be still in another.  That means that something else is going on.

Nah... once you allow for miracles, that argument is out the window - Every observation is compatible with God magic

[Cephus]

Not only would everyone at the site have seen the same thing, but so too would everyone on the planet.  The sun can't just wobble in one place and be still in another.  That means that something else is going on.

Nah... once you allow for miracles, that argument is out the window - Every observation is compatible with God magic

Meaning once you throw reason out the window, anything goes.  Nope, not a chance in hell.