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Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders
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RE: Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders
(January 28, 2017 at 6:01 pm)Asimm Wrote: Not even a month in, it's only going to get worse.

A month? It's hardly a week. Sure it will get worse. Probably to the point where the Corporatists accept that he's a walking bomb and go for impeachment.
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#22
RE: Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders
(January 28, 2017 at 1:38 pm)Jesster Wrote:
(January 28, 2017 at 1:33 pm)Aegon Wrote: Can somebody explain how the hell this is legal?

It shouldn't be. It's discrimination on the basis of religion. This is a major violation of human rights. If he had kept this to foreigners in general, I wouldn't be able to call him out as easily, but this is just too obvious at this point. Is he even trying to be subtle about this anymore, or does he just not care?
As you may recall, everyone and his brother was whining about how we are in a war against "militant/radical" Islam.  Now that someone has taken concrete baby steps to counter the threat that they were concerned about those same people get all weak in the knees and start whining about how unfair it is.
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#23
RE: Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders
(January 28, 2017 at 6:08 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: As you may recall, everyone and his brother was whining about how we are in a war against "militant/radical" Islam.  Now that someone has taken concrete baby steps to counter the threat that they were concerned about those same people get all weak in the knees and start whining about how unfair it is.

Nobody can be this dense. You could at least try to hide your trolling a little bit. You're not going to bait many people like this.
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#24
RE: Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders
(January 28, 2017 at 3:55 pm)Khemikal Wrote: He's not the only one.  A bevy of legal (and constitutional) challenges are being prepared.  The Trumpster is trying to return to his original "fuck mexicans and muslims" message in light of his embarrassing popularity, and in doing so is screwing the pooch entirely.
The current Constitution does not address immigration.  So what Trump is doing is not unconstitutional.  Besides, the President runs foreign policy and this is a foreign policy issue and completely within his duty to protect the country against foreign and domestic enemies.  And he gets to say who those enemies are.

(January 28, 2017 at 6:12 pm)Jesster Wrote:
(January 28, 2017 at 6:08 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: As you may recall, everyone and his brother was whining about how we are in a war against "militant/radical" Islam.  Now that someone has taken concrete baby steps to counter the threat that they were concerned about those same people get all weak in the knees and start whining about how unfair it is.

Nobody can be this dense. You could at least try to hide your trolling a little bit. You're not going to bait many people like this.

What's trolling about it?  The historical record is full of articles that support my contention.  You're just upset because you have nothing to support your position.  If you do present it.  This is supposed to be a discussion forum, not an agreement forum.  So be an adult and discuss the issue.
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RE: Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders
(January 28, 2017 at 6:14 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: What's trolling about it?  The historical record is full of articles that support my contention.  You're just upset because you have nothing to support your position.  If you do present it.  This is supposed to be a discussion forum, not an agreement forum.  So be an adult and discuss the issue.

Lol. I already stopped taking you seriously. That was a nice recovery attempt, though.
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#26
RE: Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders
(January 28, 2017 at 6:08 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(January 28, 2017 at 1:38 pm)Jesster Wrote: It shouldn't be. It's discrimination on the basis of religion. This is a major violation of human rights. If he had kept this to foreigners in general, I wouldn't be able to call him out as easily, but this is just too obvious at this point. Is he even trying to be subtle about this anymore, or does he just not care?
As you may recall, everyone and his brother was whining about how we are in a war against "militant/radical" Islam.  Now that someone has taken concrete baby steps to counter the threat that they were concerned about those same people get all weak in the knees and start whining about how unfair it is.

But being prejudice towards all Muslims from radical Islamic countries isn't right, especially when many of those people are refugees trying to find a safe place for their families.

Countering the threat of militant/radical Islam is valid, but not when we lose our own principles and our own humanity in the process.
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#27
RE: Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders
(January 28, 2017 at 5:40 pm)abaris Wrote:
(January 28, 2017 at 5:12 pm)Aegon Wrote: Trump Visa Ban Also Applies to Citizens With Dual Nationality, State Department Says

That's what the Nazis did in 1938/39. Polish/German nationals of jewish origin were pushed over the Polish border. Or rather into no mans land, since the Polish didn't want to take them either.

Boy, he's quick. Now wait for the total immigration ban on muslims. Can't be long now.
Well he can impose a total immigration ban on muslims but there will still be millions of them here and he can't stop anyone from converting, including Pence and Ryan.  In most cases recent converts are the most radical.
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#28
RE: Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders
(January 28, 2017 at 6:08 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(January 28, 2017 at 1:38 pm)Jesster Wrote: It shouldn't be. It's discrimination on the basis of religion. This is a major violation of human rights. If he had kept this to foreigners in general, I wouldn't be able to call him out as easily, but this is just too obvious at this point. Is he even trying to be subtle about this anymore, or does he just not care?
As you may recall, everyone and his brother was whining about how we are in a war against "militant/radical" Islam.  Now that someone has taken concrete baby steps to counter the threat that they were concerned about those same people get all weak in the knees and start whining about how unfair it is.

There is a difference between fighting terror and punishing innocent people dumbass
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#29
RE: Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders
Yet, the Islamic countries he has business ties too aren't on the ban list. Go figure.
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#30
RE: Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders
(January 28, 2017 at 6:29 pm)Asimm Wrote: Yet, the Islamic countries he has business ties too aren't on the ban list. Go figure.

I noticed that as well. You'd think Saudi would be a priority if you are going for these kinds of scare tactics. There's too much conservative money tied up there, though, including much of Trump's own money.
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