Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders

[Aegon]

Aegon: to be fair I believe green card holders are still "aliens". I'm a green card holder and my "alien registration number" is on my green card.

The issue is that green card holders should have been exempted from the order, because for the most part we are treated like US Citizens when it comes to rights.

Ah, yes, I see

https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/per...dent-alien

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

'When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.' - Thos. Jefferson

Boru

[Wyrd of Gawd]

For those who don't know the past six Presidents have used EOs to bar certain classes of immigrants from the US.  The Repubs used to love to whine when Obama did it and now the Dems are whining because Trump has done it.   It's a constant stream of whining that does seem to be going away anytime soon.  

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/16/the-pa...mmigrants/

Presidents Obama, Bush 43, and Clinton did it 6 times each.  Reagan did it 5 times.  George H.W. Bush & Carter did it once each.  Carter barred all Iranians.  

Schumer's judge is going to get slapped upside her dummy head by the SCOTUS.  It's going to be fun to watch.

AFAIK none of those actions blocked people who had previously been approved for residency, or were already residing in the US. The reason people are complaining is because people who are lawfully allowed to be in the USA were being detained and prevented from entering the country. These people were already vetted, they have their visas, they have permanent residency, most of them don't have another place to go.

OK, after some in-depth research I think I've found the answer.

The news accounts are 99% BS and fake news intended to create mass hysteria.  

Trump did sign the EO, "Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States" on January 27, 2017.  

Obama and Congress had previously identified the seven countries of concern on December 18, 2015, when he signed into law the Consolidated Appropriations Act 2016, which included the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015.  Those seven countries are Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen.  That's why none of the countries Trump did business in is on the list.  Obama didn't regard them as a concern.

Now in Trump's EO the only country mentioned by name is Syria.  He referred to the list that Obama had previously identified.  

Under the Act if a citizen from a VWP program country, say England or South Korea, had been in one of those countries on concern that person had to get a visa before visiting the US.  The people in the countries of concern always had to have a visa.  

Trump's EO now bars those people from the seven countries that Obama had identified until they are more thoroughly "vetted".  When they are they might get a visa.  However, if it's determined that they have bad behavior (such as doing a honor killing or car bombing) they won't get a visa.  

Trump's EO also suspends the plan to import 50,000 Syrian refugees at this time because it's not in our national interest.

So, if anyone is open-minded about the issue he/she should read the EO and this link from Homeland Security that has FAQs about the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act.   

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international...on-act-faq

Pretty sure the fact that otherwise legal residents of the USA were getting detained at airports and denied entry was the reason that there was any kind of hysteria.

What a bunch of snowflakes.  No alien has any right to insist on being admitted to any country on Earth.  Just because he might have been in the country he does not have an automatic right to reenter once he leaves.  In the case of America the President has absolute power to decide who can enter the country and he can bar any individual or any group if he wants to and there's not a damn thing anyone can legally do about it.  

If Trump had wanted to play hardball over the recent incident he would have directed the agents to put the people on the next flight to where they had just came from and no one would have any legal basis to say otherwise.

The Judge just personally vouched for the integrity of all of the people who benefitted from her decision.  If anyone of them commits a crime she is personally responsible and should be thrown into Gitmo to rot.

Now in the case of the guy who sued and was released the government was probably OK with that because of his known record of involvement with the US.  That satisfies the conditions of the EO.  I don't know anything about the other people except if the government didn't vet them in accordance with the terms of the EO then they were admitted illegally.  

You will notice that the EO is still in force until such time Trump rescinds it.  Therefore its terms apply to everyone who visits the US.  There will be no further court involvement in this because the courts don't have jurisdiction.

[Aegon]

AFAIK none of those actions blocked people who had previously been approved for residency, or were already residing in the US. The reason people are complaining is because people who are lawfully allowed to be in the USA were being detained and prevented from entering the country. These people were already vetted, they have their visas, they have permanent residency, most of them don't have another place to go.


Pretty sure the fact that otherwise legal residents of the USA were getting detained at airports and denied entry was the reason that there was any kind of hysteria.

What a bunch of snowflakes.  No alien has any right to insist on being admitted to any country on Earth.  Just because he might have been in the country he does not have an automatic right to reenter once he leaves.  In the case of America the President has absolute power to decide who can enter the country and he can bar any individual or any group if he wants to and there's not a damn thing anyone can legally do about it.  

If Trump had wanted to play hardball over the recent incident he would have directed the agents to put the people on the next flight to where they had just came from and no one would have any legal basis to say otherwise.

The Judge just personally vouched for the integrity of all of the people who benefitted from her decision.  If anyone of them commits a crime she is personally responsible and should be thrown into Gitmo to rot.

Now in the case of the guy who sued and was released the government was probably OK with that because of his known record of involvement with the US.  That satisfies the conditions of the EO.  I don't know anything about the other people except if the government didn't vet them in accordance with the terms of the EO then they were admitted illegally.  

You will notice that the EO is still in force until such time Trump rescinds it.  Therefore its terms apply to everyone who visits the US.  There will be no further court involvement in this because the courts don't have jurisdiction.

"Snowflakes"? Are you seriously calling these people - who have careers, homes, families, and lives here and have had them for years - snowflakes? Their lives have been completely and utterly uprooted, and many have nowhere to go. This isn't some college feminist you're talking about. "Snowflake"? I don't remember the last time I got truly angry at a post. Wow.

[Jesster]

I don't remember the last time I got truly angry at a post. Wow.

I'm really sure that all he wants to do is make people angry. Even though others think he's serious, this looks too much like by-the-book trolling to me. Don't give him the satisfaction of your anger. He's not worth it.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Why those Muslim countries?
Wasn't it Saudis that flew planes into the twin towers, shouldn't we start there!

Those countries are specified because the CIA, Homeland Security, and other agencies deemed them foreign enemies and Obama and Congress concurred.

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I think we need a few more high profile people to speak out, like Mo Farah

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/38788910



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The guy has a British passport.  Is he a British citizen?  If he is then he's not a Somalian but British and if he hasn't been in Somalia or any of the other named countries he should be able to enter the US without any problem in accordance with the VWP provisions.  If he's not a British citizen then Britain should stop giving aliens British passports or they will be removed from the VWP.

[abaris]

I'm really sure that all he wants to do is make people angry. Even though others think he's serious, this looks too much like by-the-book trolling to me. Don't give him the satisfaction of your anger. He's not worth it.

He's a tinfoiler. All I feel is contempt. Tinfoilers usually are despicable, but to take them seriously is giving them too much credit.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Calls by multiple British political parties to not have Donald Trump on an official visit until he stops his illegal policy on immigration.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38788388

Speaking on ITV's Peston on Sunday, Mr Corbyn said: "I think we should make it very clear we are extremely upset about it, and I think it would be totally wrong for him to be coming here while that situation is going on.
"I think he has to be challenged on this. I am not happy with him coming here until that ban is lifted, quite honestly."
Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron backed the call. He said: "Any visit by President Trump to Britain should be on hold until his disgraceful ban comes to an end.

You have gone from a country with a respected leader to a pariah state IN ONE WEEK.

They better be careful or else they will find themselves on the naughty list again.

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What a bunch of snowflakes.  No alien has any right to insist on being admitted to any country on Earth.  Just because he might have been in the country he does not have an automatic right to reenter once he leaves.  In the case of America the President has absolute power to decide who can enter the country and he can bar any individual or any group if he wants to and there's not a damn thing anyone can legally do about it.  

If Trump had wanted to play hardball over the recent incident he would have directed the agents to put the people on the next flight to where they had just came from and no one would have any legal basis to say otherwise.

The Judge just personally vouched for the integrity of all of the people who benefitted from her decision.  If anyone of them commits a crime she is personally responsible and should be thrown into Gitmo to rot.

Now in the case of the guy who sued and was released the government was probably OK with that because of his known record of involvement with the US.  That satisfies the conditions of the EO.  I don't know anything about the other people except if the government didn't vet them in accordance with the terms of the EO then they were admitted illegally.  

You will notice that the EO is still in force until such time Trump rescinds it.  Therefore its terms apply to everyone who visits the US.  There will be no further court involvement in this because the courts don't have jurisdiction.

"Snowflakes"? Are you seriously calling these people - who have careers, homes, families, and lives here and have had them for years - snowflakes? Their lives have been completely and utterly uprooted, and many have nowhere to go. This isn't some college feminist you're talking about. "Snowflake"? I don't remember the last time I got truly angry at a post. Wow.

You incited this whole issue by posting fake news to support your agenda of discrediting the President of the United States of America.  I have clearly and convincingly  presented evidence from official sources that show that Trump's EO is completely legal, which was your question.   

Maybe if you had asked if the EO was a good idea the discussion might have taken a different turn.  But you didn't and now you know = Trump's EO is 100% legal and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it except him or the next President.

[Aegon]

"Snowflakes"? Are you seriously calling these people - who have careers, homes, families, and lives here and have had them for years - snowflakes? Their lives have been completely and utterly uprooted, and many have nowhere to go. This isn't some college feminist you're talking about. "Snowflake"? I don't remember the last time I got truly angry at a post. Wow.

You incited this whole issue by posting fake news to support your agenda of discrediting the President of the United States of America.  I have clearly and convincingly  presented evidence from official sources that show that Trump's EO is completely legal, which was your question.   

Maybe if you had asked if the EO was a good idea the discussion might have taken a different turn.  But you didn't and now you know = Trump's EO is 100% legal and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it except him or the next President.

No, you didn't. You didn't respond to my post explaining that the Code you cited as evidence, written in the 1950s, was restricted later on. Go find it.

Also: fake news? Fake news? Go back to the source article and tell me a single thing that's fake from it.

[Amarok]

You incited this whole issue by posting fake news to support your agenda of discrediting the President of the United States of America.  I have clearly and convincingly  presented evidence from official sources that show that Trump's EO is completely legal, which was your question.   

Maybe if you had asked if the EO was a good idea the discussion might have taken a different turn.  But you didn't and now you know = Trump's EO is 100% legal and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it except him or the next President.

No, you didn't. You didn't respond to my post explaining that the Code you cited as evidence, written in the 1950s, was restricted later on. Go find it.

Also: fake news? Fake news? Go back to the source article and tell me a single thing that's fake from it.

Of course it's fake news it's dares to question( God) Trumps actions. And doesn't give him a blowjob on demand.

Fake news is just the rights new word for heresy