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RE: What would change your mind?
February 22, 2017 at 8:08 am
(February 21, 2017 at 1:02 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I think people on this forum are tired of being asked this question over and over so it might result in a lack of replies.
I'll make a fresh reply even though I'm sure I've answered the question a few times now.
For me it wouldn't be as simple as believing or not believing because of one thing or another.
There are things that make me think about the existence of a god, the possibility of it. There's nothing so far I've seen that makes me think any of the main stream religions are right.
Because I've not seen anything that remotely makes me think there's anything to mainstream religions there's never been much point in thinking about god.
I don't believe if there's a God he wants me to do what other people say he wants me to do, if he exists fine, if not fine. I just get on with it.
Wrong.
The fact that atheists keep on replying again and again it means that this issue create interest regarding how many times it pop up before.
Not only that Paul.
The issue will never stop popping up like a spring because something within tell us that inside and within there is a hidden treasure.
If nothing would be there then the question would have already been put at rest but it doesn't and never will until the treasure is allowed to reach the surface.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 22, 2017 at 8:29 am
(February 21, 2017 at 6:40 pm)Assimilate Wrote: Payed me a large sum of money and I'd be a believer, I'm a simple man.
I'm with ya. For a billion I'd at least fake it. Praise the lawd, now get out of my jet.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 22, 2017 at 9:12 am
(February 22, 2017 at 8:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong.
The fact that atheists keep on replying again and again it means that this issue create interest regarding how many times it pop up before.
Not only that Paul.
The issue will never stop popping up like a spring because something within tell us that inside and within there is a hidden treasure.
If nothing would be there then the question would have already been put at rest but it doesn't and never will until the treasure is allowed to reach the surface.
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Wrong.
For me, I've already put it to rest. There is no god or gods. None of them ever took me up on my invitation to lunch. So, there's that.
The only way you can be right about the question never being put to rest is because more and more people are realizing how stupid god and religion are and they are joining forums like this. So those people haven't had the chance to answer the question yet.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 22, 2017 at 10:27 am
(February 22, 2017 at 9:12 am)Nymphadora Wrote: (February 22, 2017 at 8:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong.
The fact that atheists keep on replying again and again it means that this issue create interest regarding how many times it pop up before.
Not only that Paul.
The issue will never stop popping up like a spring because something within tell us that inside and within there is a hidden treasure.
If nothing would be there then the question would have already been put at rest but it doesn't and never will until the treasure is allowed to reach the surface.
Wrong.
For me, I've already put it to rest. There is no god or gods. None of them ever took me up on my invitation to lunch. So, there's that.
That is silly Nympha.
Why God would take up your invitation to lunch considering that you still do not follow logic?
How can you expect that the universe pop up as per magic and nobody run it?
Give time and when you will start following logic and your mind will be open to all possibility then God will take up your invitation.
Quote:The only way you can be right about the question never being put to rest is because more and more people are realizing how stupid god and religion are and they are joining forums like this. So those people haven't had the chance to answer the question yet.
In a way it is understandable that many people do not believe in God because of religions.
Religions have done so much damage with all their dogmas and invented so called truth that
too many people are put off but if their would look a bit further over their mind then they would understand that God and religions have very little in common.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 22, 2017 at 10:35 am
(February 21, 2017 at 12:46 pm)hyperchord24 Wrote: I hope this is the right place to post this and I wonder if the subject has been broached before. What could God do to prove his existence? Everyone runs around saying, I can't see him, so sorry. If you asked a christian, they'd say the bible proves his existence. Forget that. What sort of things would he have to do to prove it. Show his face from the heavens? Flood the earth? End all suffering? What could make you change your mind?
Change the fundamental constants of the universe so that pi=3, without altering any other condition of the universe.
After all he specifically asserts that pi=3 in the bible.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 22, 2017 at 10:35 am
It's an FAQ, for sure. And the definitive answer seems to be that an omniscient and omnipotent being would know what would convince me even if I don't, and would be able to convince me if he, she, it, or them wanted. For my part, if there's a tri-Omni God, it's welcome to 'road to Damascus' me or whatever. If it's real, I want to know. If I don't know, it's either not real or not inclined to let me know. If it's real and doesn't want me to know it's real, who am I to try to do an end run around an omnipotent Creator?
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 22, 2017 at 10:41 am
(February 21, 2017 at 1:26 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Since I was once an atheist I will say that looking for evidence in nature will never suffice. The evidence for God is about nature not within it.
Chad if you were an atheist as you are so fond of asserting, it is amazing how you know sweet fuck all about atheism.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 22, 2017 at 10:56 am
(February 21, 2017 at 12:46 pm)hyperchord24 Wrote: I hope this is the right place to post this and I wonder if the subject has been broached before. What could God do to prove his existence? Everyone runs around saying, I can't see him, so sorry. If you asked a christian, they'd say the bible proves his existence. Forget that. What sort of things would he have to do to prove it. Show his face from the heavens? Flood the earth? End all suffering? What could make you change your mind?
Hello Hyperchord,
It's real simple.
A god would have to... present itself to all of mankind, since the beginning, ever since it created mankind itself.
No special people conveying its messages, no psychological tricks, no magic tricks, no lying, no hiding, never.
That none of this is present in recorded history, does not bode well.
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 22, 2017 at 3:02 pm
You have to wonder though, if a god did create the universe and in turn mankind, you have to wonder why they haven't shown theselves
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RE: What would change your mind?
February 22, 2017 at 3:11 pm
(February 22, 2017 at 3:02 pm)hyperchord24 Wrote: You have to wonder though, if a god did create the universe and in turn mankind, you have to wonder why they haven't shown theselves
And that is exactly why you will get apologists bending over backward with some of the most ridiculous statements ever made to defend this discrepancy.
This deity is supposed to be all powerful and therefore could easily make a personal appearance and remove all doubt of its existence.
But apparently that would break our Free Will.
But, of course, this deity knew what sort of person we'd be from the moment it "made" us.
The arguments usually end up going in circles and I've had numerous discussions that end in, "Who are you to question god??"
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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