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Debate: God Exists
RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote:
(March 7, 2017 at 3:22 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Drich, my boy... that's not how it's supposed to work.
It saddens me that you fail to see that for yourself.

You don't go through the claims and pick the one that fits with your perception.... that's how you pick a political party, or an economic doctrine.
That is the way I did it. That is the way any not 'born an atheist' or born into their religion did it. What are you talking about?

I'm talking about that being a silly way to do things.
If you're ascertaining some tidbit about reality, you don't go into holy books which require belief and what looks a lot like self-deception for you to accept the existence of whatever it is they advocate.
You go into reality and find out.

(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:You look at the world and come to your own conclusions. It's how you said before that you got there...made some wrong choices, got help, turned to whichever god you were acquainted with and found some sort of inner peace... or do I remember incorrectly?
Got me cnfused with someone else. i started out buddhist-ish

Quote:From my POV, turning to god like you did would work regardless of the god you turned to...
That's funny as that is not how I remembered it happening. Again did the budda thing first, mom changed religion turned to korean jesus next, nothing from him, went metaphysical hippy BS with my dad for a while, then it all came crashing down hard then went a-holeist for a few years. Then demanded a chance to spit in God's eye if there ever was one. Started beating christians so as to have them send a message to their God for me. God showed up, or rather I showed up at my judgement. Got to look Jesus in the eye did not spit.
You're right.... I must have mixed you up with someone else.... hmmm.... who, I wonder?....

Anyway, thanks for the summary! Smile

So you tried this and that and then dreamed a dream... ahhh I remember!!... the dream of an eternity without god, wasn't it?
How do you reckon that idea came to your mind?

(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:as long as it was some god of peace or something like that.
And it would work because that god, whichever it would be, would be in your head, in your mind. It's a placebo.
then why did hippy God work? he let me do anything so long as I did not hurt other people?

Secret: every god will let you do anything.
The "as long as you don't hurt other people" is your empathy at work. Most people have that, too, you know?

(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:The problem with placebos is that they're not really the promised cure. Sure, they work. And it's been established that they may even work when people are fully aware that they are placebos!! But they're psychological tricks.
Our minds are too complex for us to understand exactly how these placebos work, but statistics show them to work.
The problem with people who have it in their heart not to believe don't actually address specifics only situation. which makes them look lke a douche bag when they get caught mixing specifics with situation, so they generally double down and pretend what they are saying is true anyway even though their whole philosophy has been outed as being bunk

I sense a passive strike... I dodge! The crowd goes wild!


It's an analogy. One that applies quite well, given the psychological overlap between the two situations.

(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:Statistics also show that some people are unaffected by placebos. Knowing it's a placebo, for those people, destroys their efficiency. That's how religions are to me.
That's ironic.. That is how I feel about you after outting your failed placebo theory.

Quote:Remember that placebo thing I just mentioned?
That's how those instructions look.
It Completely depends on how narrow your world view is and if you are trying to make everything you do not believe under a "placebo" theory or not.
I say that not to be mean, but to point out that you yourself said placebo does not work that way, and now you are saying it would. But, again (i'm saying) it only would IF you think the whole word outside of your small world view worked the way you think it does.

My world view encompasses the whole visible Universe and considers the possibility of stuff beyond it.
It also acknowledges the complexity of the human mind and all the ways it can work to produce a satisfying "world view" while being an totally incorrect one. Knowing that, I avoid getting myself in a position where I can let my mind convince itself of an erroneous model for reality.
Yes, that's analogous to the placebo I know (or strongly suspect) to not work as advertised.

(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:I'm sure you can find tons of people who have followed them and got the desired result.
And I'm sure we can also find tons of people who have followed those instructions to the letter and got no such result.
In all my time doing this I have failed to find one person who followed God's instructions to the letter and did not find what was promised. Now that said I know people who found what was promised but were not happy with the idea of eternal service to God, even if service meant to live as a King.

All I've ever known of those who found nothing were the disillusioned, the proud, the self centered and the rest of the now generation. Then beyond that the perceptually broken, and the 2 out of 3ers.

I wonder in which of those categories you're putting me...

(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:That alone tells you that the instructions are not correct.
If there are those who find what is promised the instructions are correct.

However they may not be complete for everyone. Which is apart of what they are supposed to do. Sift the worth from the unworth. Meaning if pride has such a grip on you that you can not see fit to ask for help or if pride points foolishness, then know the instructions has eliminated the proud. There isn't any room for the proud.

Psychology, Drich!
What do you know about the power of suggestion?
Nothing... I'd wager.

(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:Add to the mix the nature of the human mind and the well known power of suggestion, and your instructions are automatically nothing more than a cheap illusion.
Indeed, kinda like how the mind tends to close itself around what it feels comfortable with, and will disregard anything else!

Isn't that the textbook definition of a believer? Tongue
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 7, 2017 at 5:17 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: Drich, I'm confused. You talk about believing in the bible and say a lot of things that are similar to it, then say when I was a Christian the biblical god must have been the wrong god.

Are you or are you not talking about the god of the Christian Bible?

Sent from my LGL52VL using Tapatalk

You said you were devout I simply pointed out that if their were any discrepancies between your devout worship and the God of the bible, then the God of the bible was not obligated to honor your efforts.

(March 7, 2017 at 5:28 pm)Nonpareil Wrote:
(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote: ...And you are intellectually dishonest if you think my response to you ended with that singular rhetorical question that I further explain. (you know the bit you seem fearful to actually address/Everything else besides what you cherry picked)

I am not cherry-picking, Drich. Neither am I "fearful to address it". It simply doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with the point I am making. Therefore, it was ignored.

It doesn't matter if God interacts with each person differently. This interaction is still either real, in which case you can demonstrate it, or not, in which case you can't. You can't, so it isn't real.

The rest of your incoherent ramble about The Book of Eli and being "lions in sheep's clothing" is so completely pointless that I can't even imagine what you thought it had to do with my post, but I really don't care.


cherry-pick
verb
1.
(transitive) to choose or take the best or most profitable of (a number of things), esp for one's own benefit or gain: cherry-pick the best routes

Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 2012 Digital Edition
© William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins
Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2012
Contemporary definitions for cherry-pick
verb
to choose the best items from a selection for oneself, often in an unfair manner

Seems to me you even admited what you did in your very explanation of 'not' cherry picking.

what else you got?
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 8, 2017 at 9:07 am)Drich Wrote:
(March 7, 2017 at 5:28 pm)Nonpareil Wrote: I am not cherry-picking, Drich. Neither am I "fearful to address it". It simply doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with the point I am making. Therefore, it was ignored.

cherry-pick
verb
1.
(transitive) to choose or take the best or most profitable of (a number of things), esp for one's own benefit or gain: cherry-pick the best routes

Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 2012 Digital Edition
© William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins
Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2012
Contemporary definitions for cherry-pick
verb
to choose the best items from a selection for oneself, often in an unfair manner

Seems to me you even admited what you did in your very explanation of 'not' cherry picking.

(March 7, 2017 at 5:28 pm)Nonpareil Wrote: I am not cherry-picking, Drich. Neither am I "fearful to address it". It simply doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with the point I am making. Therefore, it was ignored.

Read before responding.
"Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it."
  - A. A. Milne, The House at Pooh Corner
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 7, 2017 at 7:04 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I'm talking about that being a silly way to do things.
Again what are you talking about?? Any one not born into what they currently believe to one degree or another researched and chose their current path. Some more honestly than others but never the less I see this sort of thing happen all the time. My wife still works in the church's food pantry and hands out with boxes of food pamphelets to help people study and make said decision. I also several other religions including Islam (Islam being the best/most modern) have similar programs.

Your critical disconnection on how religion works in people's minds should have you take pause and reevaluate what it is you think you know and how religion works in people's minds.

Quote:If you're ascertaining some tidbit about reality, you don't go into holy books which require belief and what looks a lot like self-deception for you to accept the existence of whatever it is they advocate.
You go into reality and find out.

If God is all powerful, and He says meet me here in this book first... Why would I go out into the world looking for God? Or are you saying this is how you proofed your anti God theory? You went to the place The bible says God isn't demanded God to show up, when He didn't you felt you did not need the bible?

(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote: Got me cnfused with someone else. i started out buddhist-ish

That's funny as that is not how I remembered it happening. Again did the budda thing first, mom changed religion turned to korean jesus next, nothing from him, went metaphysical hippy BS with my dad for a while, then it all came crashing down hard then went a-holeist for a few years. Then demanded a chance to spit in God's eye if there ever was one. Started beating christians so as to have them send a message to their God for me. God showed up, or rather I showed up at my judgement. Got to look Jesus in the eye did not spit.
You're right.... I must have mixed you up with someone else.... hmmm.... who, I wonder?....

Anyway, thanks for the summary! Smile

Quote:So you tried this and that and then dreamed a dream... ahhh I remember!!... the dream of an eternity without god, wasn't it?
How do you reckon that idea came to your mind?

I was placed before Jesus on my judgement looked into his eye, got a sample of the love and what Heaven was about, then I experienced a version of Hell I never knew existed. Up until that point I had only known Dante' Inferno version of Hell. Here is where you placeebo theory gets it wrong for me. In what I experienced (A few minutes) totally undermind everything I knew of Jesus, the Judgement, Heaven Hell the purpose of eternal life, death, and redemption. So much so for the first few days I thought everything was made up because in all of my 'church experience' nothing lined up with what I saw... Then I began to read a bible I never picked up before and there in the bible did I begin to check off all the things I saw and experienced.

Again, all the same and much much more can be yours to experience for yourself. To experience God, to find out everything you know of God to be wrong, and to learn as you read.

I posted a thread like 5 years ago on this website that went into further detail, which throws you baby out with your placebo bath water without even tryng to. Meaning I was not making an counter placebo arguement I was simply pointing out the order in which I began to learn about God. Which again is the complete opposite of how you think it happens.

(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote: then why did hippy God work? he let me do anything so long as I did not hurt other people?

Quote:Secret: every god will let you do anything.
Not the God of the bible..sorry.

Quote:The "as long as you don't hurt other people" is your empathy at work. Most people have that, too, you know?
that's the hippy talking. I now have the freedom to treat others as I would like to be treated.

(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote: The problem with people who have it in their heart not to believe don't actually address specifics only situation. which makes them look lke a douche bag when they get caught mixing specifics with situation, so they generally double down and pretend what they are saying is true anyway even though their whole philosophy has been outed as being bunk

Quote:I sense a passive strike... I dodge! The crowd goes wild!
as the douche dodges into a blindside upper cut!!! By thundara I beleve procrates truly thought he had the upperhand with his dodge, but he did not see drich setting him up with his own testimony that at it's core refutes everything the thunderian was trying to preach about placeebos. Something Drich had waiting in the wings for over 5 years!!

Quote:It's an analogy. One that applies quite well, given the psychological overlap between the two situations.
If you say so sport!
Big Grin

Quote:My world view encompasses the whole visible Universe and considers the possibility of stuff beyond it.
ROFLOL So what you can see, and similar stuff just beyond it! ROFLOL
you would have totes been an earth is flat-er.

Quote:It also acknowledges the complexity of the human mind and all the ways it can work to produce a satisfying "world view" while being an totally incorrect one.
Translation: you mock things others believe that you have not accepted for yourself.
Quote: Knowing that, I avoid getting myself in a position where I can let my mind convince itself of an erroneous model for reality.
Yes, that's analogous to the placebo I know (or strongly suspect) to not work as advertised.
You know your system of belief can is strongly influenced by the placebo effect, by through sheer intellectual prowlace you are able to plot an accurate course...
ROFLOL

In my conversion I have my experience with God coming before and knowledge of God. Then I have 20+ years of reading and studying that confirms what I experienced.

What do you have again?? oh, that's right sheer intelect and willpower. Can't see that ever failing you
Bwahahahaha!!!

Quote:I wonder in which of those categories you're putting me...
The proud/Chaff God is trying to seperate from the rest by mandating you bow your head and bend you knee before He do anything for you.

Or if you earnestly tried at some point then a 2 out of 3-er


Quote:Psychology, Drich!
What do you know about the power of suggestion?
Nothing... I'd wager.
I know before you suggest, you get your facts straight so someone like me doesn't leave you looking like a fool when your prize of a theory falls flat.

Quote:Isn't that the textbook definition of a believer? Tongue
or an atheist. a lazy mind does not need a deity.. just hive mind to hide in.

(March 8, 2017 at 9:24 am)Nonpareil Wrote:
(March 8, 2017 at 9:07 am)Drich Wrote: cherry-pick
verb
1.
(transitive) to choose or take the best or most profitable of (a number of things), esp for one's own benefit or gain: cherry-pick the best routes

Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 2012 Digital Edition
© William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins
Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2012
Contemporary definitions for cherry-pick
verb
to choose the best items from a selection for oneself, often in an unfair manner

Seems to me you even admited what you did in your very explanation of 'not' cherry picking.

(March 7, 2017 at 5:28 pm)Nonpareil Wrote: I am not cherry-picking, Drich. Neither am I "fearful to address it". It simply doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with the point I am making. Therefore, it was ignored.

Read before responding.

Omg, you guys are retards.

Ever play connect the dots... we are going to start at dot or point 1

1) The point you made was asked and answered in the first paragraph second post of 115.
2) meaning the point you made, was answered
3) to cherry pick and reassert your point is to effectively ignore everything I said and try and take the conversation in a now different direction since the failure of your last attempt.

Do you get it?

You ask a question about setting ourselves aside from the rest of you.

I asked a rhetorical and began to explain how it is we set ourselves aside.

You took two words from my explanation, and are now trying to go in a different direction rather than address what has been said.

If you still don't get it maybe ask one of your peers to explain it
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 7, 2017 at 4:07 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: Well, you can't do it without evidence without looking like a fool.
Looking foolish to the fool.. That's a bad thing?

for example a foolish may/has judged the follow foolish:
Quote:You can be as ignorant as you like with the bible. In that way it is a two edged sword. It's real simple sport try and keep up:
1) Jesus Says if you A, B, C The Father will send the Holy Spirit (God) to Help you.
2) So if one does the A,B,C GtS says do in the bible, and GtF in this current day, Sends GtHS Then what GtS/God-The-Son says can be identified as instructions from God.

When all you needed do was ask for understanding.

1) If Jesus says "ABC" I not saying jesus says the literal first three letters of the alphabet. ABC here represents a formula or algorithm. In essence 3 steps to follow.

2) So I am saying if one or someone like you follows the first three steps that GtS or God The Son/Jesus says do in Luke 11, and if GtF or God the Father full fills his promise on your completion of 'A,B,C' then He will send GtHS or God the Holy Spirit to You.

Now if all of those things happen and you literally met with spoke to GtHS, then what GtS says in Luke 11 has been authenticated. It prooves true, the cake recipe is good.

That means your objection (me speaking without evidence makes me the fool) get voided.

Remember what I said about selective evidence? That was like babe ruth pointing to the fences telling the crown where exactly his home run would leave the park.

Your selective ignorance started with not wanting to hear anything you didn't already thought you knew. This was proven when you simply dismissed what you did not understand. why? because right now with your very limited understanding of religion it is very easy to simply hide from the facts and truths found in scripture. Facts and truth that can be vetted by God Himself to you If you were to simply follow or do what God has asked us to do.

So Again How do I know the bible is true? because again God the Son made a promise that involves the Father and the Holy Spirit, that is you Ask. Seek and Knock "A/S/K" or "abc" and the Father will send God the Holy Spirit to help you. In doing so what better proof of God is there than God Himself. This is not a priest or prophet promise. We all have direct access to God. I needed to physically see and speak to someone, So like thomas I got exactly what I needed to establish my belief... I say belief because it ceases being faith at that point. Once you stood before someone like that the BS doubt people like you feed on goes away.


Quote:Here's the thing, moron.  How can you prove instructions true or false if you can't see the result?
And if you can???


Quote:But we try to talk to someone who has, but most are dicks like you.
Calm down no one here is trying to take you porn away. Just meeting you with the same... resistance and courtesy as you so diligently measure out to me.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote: Omg, you guys are retards.

He said, without a hint of irony.

(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote: 1) The point you made was asked and answered in the first paragraph second post of 115.
2) meaning the point you made, was answered

No, Drich. It wasn't. I explained this.

I stated, very simply, that if your relationship with God is not a delusion, then it must be demonstrable in some way. You responded by claiming that God has a different kind of relationship with every person, which does not in any way actually answer the point raised; it simply says that each person would have to demonstrate their relationship with God differently. Then you went off on a rant about The Book of Eli that had nothing to do with anything.

I then pointed this out, to which you responded that I was cherry-picking. I was not.

You really don't seem to understand what is being said to you.
"Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it."
  - A. A. Milne, The House at Pooh Corner
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 8, 2017 at 12:07 pm)Drich Wrote: for example a foolish may/has judged the follow foolish:

It's almost like reading Shakespeare.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:
(March 7, 2017 at 7:04 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I'm talking about that being a silly way to do things.
Again what are you talking about?? Any one not born into what they currently believe to one degree or another researched and chose their current path. Some more honestly than others but never the less I see this sort of thing happen all the time. My wife still works in the church's food pantry and hands out with boxes of food pamphelets to help people study and make said decision. I also several other religions including Islam (Islam being the best/most modern) have similar programs.

Your critical disconnection on how religion works in people's minds should have you take pause and reevaluate what it is you think you know and how religion works in people's minds.

It is my awareness of how it works on people's minds that prevents me from allowing it to work on myself.

But yes, I am aware that some people go through those motions that you outlined... and I keep saying that it is not a trustworthy method, given the trappings that our own human minds can easily trick themselves into.



(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:
Quote:If you're ascertaining some tidbit about reality, you don't go into holy books which require belief and what looks a lot like self-deception for you to accept the existence of whatever it is they advocate.
You go into reality and find out.

If God is all powerful, and He says meet me here in this book first... Why would I go out into the world looking for God? Or are you saying this is how you proofed your anti God theory? You went to the place The bible says God isn't demanded God to show up, when He didn't you felt you did not need the bible?

IF.... mighty "if" you have there.

You're working with the premise that such a God exists.
I ask you "how would you know that it exists?"
And you may tell me "it's in this book" or "I experienced him" or whatever...
Then I will have to ask if whoever wrote the book experienced him in the same way you did, if yes, then what does it say about both your human minds?
Should we assume the experience is an accurate representation of reality, or would it be safer to say that your minds work pretty much in the same way when presented with similar stimuli?
While mine (and many others' who are in a minority) works in a slightly different way?

It is clear that whoever wrote the book you use was also within a highly religious society. So the same sort of stimuli to considering a benevolent god may have been in place... cue in the Essene society.

Where did such a notion come from? well, that's been lost to time, so we can do no better than speculate.
However, I see a few options:
- If there is such a god who wants us to know about it and acknowledge it and praise it and do all the things in the bible... then how did that god make itself known to mankind, in the first place?... in a pre-bible, pre-written word world, how did it do it? If he did it once (or more than once), then what's keeping it from doing the same thing for all of us? I wouldn't mind knowing if there is indeed a benevolent creator god. I'm curious about it, actually. I want to know.
But I refuse to let my brain get self-deluded into belief.

- If there is no such god, then it was clearly made up, through exploitation of our minds' flaws, even if unwittingly... the notion was conceived and was pleasant enough to flourish and evolve.

- If there is a god that created this Universe, but doesn't really care about what goes on here, in this tiny speck of dust in a lost corner of the vast Universe... then... why worry?

(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote: That's funny as that is not how I remembered it happening. Again did the budda thing first, mom changed religion turned to korean jesus next, nothing from him, went metaphysical hippy BS with my dad for a while, then it all came crashing down hard then went a-holeist for a few years. Then demanded a chance to spit in God's eye if there ever was one. Started beating christians so as to have them send a message to their God for me. God showed up, or rather I showed up at my judgement. Got to look Jesus in the eye did not spit.

Wow.... you were beating people? Damn, that's evil. I'm glad you found the bible, then. Stick with it! Really!

(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:
Quote:So you tried this and that and then dreamed a dream... ahhh I remember!!... the dream of an eternity without god, wasn't it?
How do you reckon that idea came to your mind?

I was placed before Jesus on my judgement looked into his eye, got a sample of the love and what Heaven was about, then I experienced a version of Hell I never knew existed. Up until that point I had only known Dante' Inferno version of Hell. Here is where you placeebo theory gets it wrong for me. In what I experienced (A few minutes) totally undermind everything I knew of Jesus, the Judgement, Heaven Hell the purpose of eternal life, death, and redemption. So much so for the first few days I thought everything was made up because in all of my 'church experience' nothing lined up with what I saw... Then I began to read a bible I never picked up before and there  in the bible did I begin to check off all the things I saw and experienced.

Again, all the same and much much more can be yours to experience for yourself. To experience God, to find out everything you know of God to be wrong, and to learn as you read.

I posted a thread like 5 years ago on this website that went into further detail, which throws you baby out with your placebo bath water without even tryng to. Meaning I was not making an counter placebo arguement I was simply pointing out the order in which I began to learn about God. Which again is the complete opposite of how you think it happens.

Wanna see the bathwater come back? Tongue
What did Buddhism teach you?
Where were you brought up? Korea?
What's the story with that korean jesus from your mum?
I seriously doubt that you can honestly say that you had never heard about the concept of hell being an afterlife without god, given all the religious influences you were having.
You may have not picked up on it, but just heard and shrugged it off, until years later when you dreamed that dream.

On the other hand, going back to one of the possibilities I mentioned above, your mind could have worked in a similar way to the mind of whoever came up with the concept of hell you then found in the bible. Coincidences like this happen. Be honest, is this not a possibility?
"Correlation does not imply causation" is an often heard phrase... but it does hint towards causation, most of the times.
Concerning the way the human minds works, it gets tricky, due to the highly complex nature of the neural network in our brains.
I prefer to side with human brains that work in a similar way among themselves. Brains that can be similarly fooled, or tricked, or deluded into a particular set of conclusions.
You prefer to think there's an external cause to such similarity in conclusions.

If there is a god, why would I think the way I do?
If there isn't a god, why would you think the way you do?

(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:
(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote: then why did hippy God work? he let me do anything so long as I did not hurt other people?

Quote:Secret: every god will let you do anything.
Not the God of the bible..sorry.

Sure he does... you were even beating up people. You can do anything that your body can physically perform and no god will interfere. They all let you do whatever you want.

(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:
Quote:The "as long as you don't hurt other people" is your empathy at work. Most people have that, too, you know?
that's the hippy talking. I now have the freedom to treat others as I would like to be treated.

Why do you say "now"?
Were you ever prevented from treating others that way?

(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:
(March 7, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Drich Wrote: The problem with people who have it in their heart not to believe don't actually address specifics only situation. which makes them look lke a douche bag when they get caught mixing specifics with situation, so they generally double down and pretend what they are saying is true anyway even though their whole philosophy has been outed as being bunk

Quote:I sense a passive strike... I dodge! The crowd goes wild!
as the douche dodges into a blindside upper cut!!! By thundara I beleve procrates truly thought he had the upperhand with his dodge, but he did not see drich setting him up with his own testimony that at it's core refutes everything the thunderian was trying to preach about placeebos. Something Drich had waiting in the wings for over 5 years!!

Glad to let that 5 year wing flex a bit!
Oh, what's this? The eye of Thundera glimpses some more placebos coming Drich's way!! Oh no!!
What will Drich do with so much sugar pills?!
(tune back tomorrow. Same Drich-channel, same Drich-hour!)

(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:
Quote:My world view encompasses the whole visible Universe and considers the possibility of stuff beyond it.
So what you can see, and similar stuff just beyond it!
you would have totes been an earth is flat-er.

(I took out those rofls... they're too big for the text)

Would I have been an "Earth is flat-er"?... maybe... but if people had shown me or told me about how they came to the conclusion of Earth's roundness, I would understand how that works and do the experiment myself, or not.. just run it in my mind and see how it can pan out.
See how it has zero dependence on any of my faulty brain's inner workings and go with it.


(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:
Quote:It also acknowledges the complexity of the human mind and all the ways it can work to produce a satisfying "world view" while being an totally incorrect one.
Translation: you mock things others believe that you have not accepted for yourself.

Do I mock thee?
I keep asking "why do you think this?", "how do you think things happened?", "don't people tend to behave this way?"
I'm trying to get you to think about how people can produce the whole experience of god... but, since I read that beating up people bit of your life, I'm considering just letting you be a christian apologist, so you don't go back to that.


(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:
Quote: Knowing that, I avoid getting myself in a position where I can let my mind convince itself of an erroneous model for reality.
Yes, that's analogous to the placebo I know (or strongly suspect) to not work as advertised.
You know your system of belief can is strongly influenced by the placebo effect, by through sheer intellectual prowlace you are able to plot an accurate course...

In my conversion I have my experience with God coming before and knowledge of God. Then I have 20+ years of reading and studying that confirms what I experienced.

What do you have again?? oh, that's right sheer intelect and willpower. Can't see that ever failing you
Bwahahahaha!!!

(again, removed the rofl)
Come Drich, you had a dream of something you may very well have overheard but not remember until that dream. And you tell me my approach can fail?
Well... I know that I never remember any of my dreams... so... maybe that's for the best.

(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:
Quote:I wonder in which of those categories you're putting me...
The proud/Chaff God is trying to seperate from the rest by mandating you bow your head and bend you knee before He do anything for you.

Or if you earnestly tried at some point then a 2 out of 3-er

Why is that god so like a king that would require its subjects to bow their heads and bend their knees?
Do you require your cat to do that? (you do have a cat, right? or was it a dog? I forget...)

Imagine you were the creator of the Universe... and in that Universe, among 10 billion galaxies, there is one galaxy that, like many others, has some 10 billion stars.... and there is one star around which travels a planet, on the surface of which there many living beings.... but a particular species of them has intelligence... and you want them to bow down to you, because you gave them that intelligence... huh?!
Why would you care?! What does it matter to you that those people assume you exist, bow down, and only then do you present yourself to them... but only to a few, in dreams or some coincidence-ridden experience...

It boggles the mind.

(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:
Quote:Psychology, Drich!
What do you know about the power of suggestion?
Nothing... I'd wager.
I know before you suggest, you get your facts straight so someone like me doesn't leave you looking like a fool when your prize of a theory falls flat.

A theory that posits that the human mind is responsible for all religions that have ever existed on the face of this planet?
Let me know when it falls flat...

(March 8, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:
Quote:Isn't that the textbook definition of a believer? Tongue
or an atheist. a lazy mind does not need a deity.. just hive mind to hide in.

A lazy mind?
Hive mind?
Have you ever been in a religious temple during a religious ceremony? That's hive mind-like.
"You will be assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile."
Well, luckily, we are now equipped with science to properly resist...
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(March 8, 2017 at 9:07 am)Drich Wrote:
(March 7, 2017 at 5:17 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: Drich, I'm confused. You talk about believing in the bible and say a lot of things that are similar to it, then say when I was a Christian the biblical god must have been the wrong god.

Are you or are you not talking about the god of the Christian Bible?

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You said you were devout I simply pointed out that if their were any discrepancies between your devout worship and the God of the bible, then the God of the bible was not obligated to honor your efforts.

(March 7, 2017 at 5:28 pm)Nonpareil Wrote: I am not cherry-picking, Drich. Neither am I "fearful to address it". It simply doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with the point I am making. Therefore, it was ignored.

It doesn't matter if God interacts with each person differently. This interaction is still either real, in which case you can demonstrate it, or not, in which case you can't. You can't, so it isn't real.

The rest of your incoherent ramble about The Book of Eli and being "lions in sheep's clothing" is so completely pointless that I can't even imagine what you thought it had to do with my post, but I really don't care.


cherry-pick
verb
1.
(transitive) to choose or take the best or most profitable of (a number of things), esp for one's own benefit or gain: cherry-pick the best routes

Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 2012 Digital Edition
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Contemporary definitions for cherry-pick
verb
to choose the best items from a selection for oneself, often in an unfair manner

Seems to me you even admited what you did in your very explanation of 'not' cherry picking.

what else you got?
I based my worship from the bible. So how exactly could I be worshipping some other god?

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Drich, would you say that your god likes to play hide and seek?
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