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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 3:04 pm
Precisely.
There are a litter-trayful of arguments for His existence, but there's one absolute, undeniable proof that Trumps all of them.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 3:13 pm
(March 10, 2017 at 2:28 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (March 10, 2017 at 2:10 pm)pocaracas Wrote: How about you prove that a god is required for any of those things.
No argument from ignorance allowed. (because that's a fallacious argument, you know...)
I have done so in so many places that I have grown weary of it. Besides there is a difference between proving with absolute certainty (especially, with people who deny to there are absolutes) and the best explanation. If you're going to say that God is not the best explanation then it is reasonable for me to ask with what are you making comparison?
God is not an explanation. It's just kicking the can down the road.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 3:18 pm
It's always so fucking ridiculous when theists use God as an explanation for things when God is what needs an explanation and other things already have explanations.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 3:25 pm
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(March 10, 2017 at 3:18 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: It's always so fucking ridiculous when theists use God as an explanation for things when God is what needs an explanation and other things already have explanations.
Go on then,...explain why causes have regular effects (for example).
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 3:29 pm
(March 10, 2017 at 3:25 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Go on then,...explain why causes have regular effects (for example).
Because time exists and the universe has characteristics like conservation of momentum and inertia and so on and so forth.
As for why it has those characteristics, we don't know. We don't even known if it is possible for there to be a reason.
"Because a wizard" has no explanatory power.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 3:34 pm
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(March 10, 2017 at 3:25 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (March 10, 2017 at 3:18 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: It's always so fucking ridiculous when theists use God as an explanation for things when God is what needs an explanation and other things already have explanations.
Go on then,...explain why causes have regular effects (for example).
Because that's what causality is.
Asking for the cause of causality makes no sense. And asking for the purpose of it assumes a teleology that does not exist.
God only demands further explanations.
Next you'll be asking me what happened "before" time 
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 3:48 pm
(March 10, 2017 at 3:34 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Next you'll be asking me what happened "before" time
jesus christ how horrifying
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 4:00 pm
See that's what I'm talking about. Y'all have either no alternative explanations (duh...i donno) or appeal to brute facts ('cause it does dats why.)
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 4:07 pm
WE JUST EXPLAINED IT !!!!
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 4:09 pm
(March 10, 2017 at 4:00 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: See that's what I'm talking about. Y'all have either no alternative explanations (duh...i donno) or appeal to brute facts ('cause it does dats why.)
Yes.
Unfortunately for you, this doesn't actually constitute a point in favor of theism, because you can't actually do any better. As I have already said, "because wizards" does not have any actual explanatory power; an appeal to magic is, in fact, weaker than the "appeal to brute facts" that you take such issue with, since it is ultimately also an appeal to the same thing - just with a bonus bare assertion tacked on.
Ultimately, everything ends up at "because". All theism does is kick the can a step down the road with no justification, then pretend it has solved the issue.
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