The Holy Bible - fact or fiction?

[Minimalist]

If you look around and see so many complex living beings

But see, when we look around we see far too many superstitious twits like you.  Kind of fucks up the whole intelligent design malarkey.

[chimp3]

Stimbo...
You said "I withhold belief in gods until there is sufficient evidence to support belief".
If you look around and see so many complex living beings, and you still need proof that it was designed by a Supreme Being?
Simple bad example would be a car.If you look at one you know he had to be made by somebody with intelligence.
Regarding God: Just because you cannot prove something exists does not mean it doesn't  exist.

Must be Vishnu!

[Silent Snob]

Does anybody know of another book that can tell the true future?

Yes.

The news-paper from yesterday can.

Translation: Books don't "tell the future". Future is what happens when you stop being some blond kant and start thinking instead.

[vorlon13]

If you look around and see so many complex living beings

But see, when we look around we see far too many superstitious twits like you.  Kind of fucks up the whole intelligent design malarkey.

And those too many superstitious folks don't seem to agree on anything.  Just in the Mormon orbit we've seen over 100 schisms in less than 200 years.  What is an outsider to make of such a mess ??

I note the Methodists don't find the Catholic arguments very compelling, and the Lutherans don't seem to have much buy in with the Seventh Day Adventists.  Why would Catholic or Seventh Day Adventist dogma be overwhelmingly compelling to atheists?

(to cite a specific scenario)

[Brian37]

Does anybody know of another book that can tell the true future?

Yes.

The news-paper from yesterday can.

Translation: Books don't "tell the future". Future is what happens when you stop being some blond kant and start thinking instead.

Christians think they are the only ones to claim their holy writings make predictions about the future. Nope,  again, seen Jews and Muslims and even Hindus and Buddhists claim their clubs have made predictions about the future.

Some new agers like to believe the Mayans predicted the future. Some people believe in psychics too. The ancient Egyptians and ancient Romans and ancient Greeks all had their "seers" or "oracles" or "soothsayers". 

Science can produce data that leads us to things like getting to the moon. Math gave us the distance, orbit, calculated the fuel needed even before we got there in reality, that is a real prediction. Old mythology, be it monotheistic, or polytheistic does not replace science nor should be used to make "predictions".

[Silent Snob]

But see, when we look around we see far too many superstitious twits like you.  Kind of fucks up the whole intelligent design malarkey.

And those too many superstitious folks don't seem to agree on anything.  Just in the Mormon orbit we've seen over 100 schisms in less than 200 years.  What is an outsider to make of such a mess ??

I note the Methodists don't find the Catholic arguments very compelling, and the Lutherans don't seem to have much buy in with the Seventh Day Adventists.  Why would Catholic or Seventh Day Adventist dogma be overwhelmingly compelling to atheists?

(to cite a specific scenario)

Because they make up some stuff that sounds pretty compelling and is easy to "study"?

Just a guess.

Why not go full-blown L.Ron Hubbard and become couch-jumping....äh... what was his name again?

[The Valkyrie]

Star Trek.

So far the list of achievements from that show includes Pads, Mobile phones, tricorders, replicators (3D printers), and numerous other inventions the show predicted.

Do you accept James T. Kirk, as your Lord and Saviour?

[Silent Snob]

Star Trek.

So far the list of achievements from that show includes Pads, Mobile phones, tricorders, replicators (3D printers), and numerous other inventions the show predicted.

Do you accept James T. Kirk, as your Lord and Saviour?

Dude! Are you serious? That's for real? If so, my answer is plain and down-right YES, if I can be that funky black chick with those ear-phones.

I'm soooo ashamed I'm not a geek of that kind of show. I hope that does not take away my seriousness.

I should have listened to me younger bro's ideas more.

[The Valkyrie]

Star Trek.

So far the list of achievements from that show includes Pads, Mobile phones, tricorders, replicators (3D printers), and numerous other inventions the show predicted.

Do you accept James T. Kirk, as your Lord and Saviour?

Dude! Are you serious? That's for real? If so, my answer is plain and down-right YES, if I can be that funky black chick with those ear-phones.

I'm soooo ashamed I'm not a geek of that kind of show. I hope that does not take away my seriousness.

I should have listened to me younger bro's ideas more.

Yes, but of course the question has to be, did they predict these devices or were the creators of the devices inspired by the show?

A subtle but important difference.

Oh, and it's "dudette".

[Cyberman]

1966: The Doctor Who serial "The War Machines", broadcast 25 June - 16 July, depicts a global connection of computer systems governed by a central intelligence.

1969: ARPANET, the precursor to the internet, is established.


1975: In the Doctor Who serial "Terror of the Zygons", Brigadier Alastair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart addresses the UK Prime Minister by telephone as "Ma'am".

1979: Margaret Hilda Thatcher becomes Britain's first woman Prime Minister.


Why are we not worshipping the good Doctor?