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Carl Sagan: A Universe Not Made For Us
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RE: Carl Sagan: A Universe Not Made For Us
(April 24, 2017 at 7:41 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I think it's rather romantic to think God went to all the trouble just for us.

You unwittingly told the truth. Yep it is "romantic" to you, and that is you falling for your emotions. 

So this character put 100s of billiions of galaxies in a 13.8 billion year old universe here just for earth's humans? Nonsense.

When my mom needed a ride to her doctor's appointments, I live in NC and she was only 5 miles away. Your "romantic" crap would be like me driving to California and back before taking her to her appointment. 

50 to 60 million humans worldwide die on average per year from everything of all ages. We've never had one day in our species history without death. We've only been writing for 10,000 years, and we were not the first species on this planet.

Seems like a lot of needless waste and bullshit drama if you want to claim a super hero.

You're God sucks at being a super hero. The reason he sucks is becuase he doesn't exist. 

Now again, please don't stupidly accuse me of being angry at a fictional character. 

The way that Character is written, it reads more like Jerry Springer, WWE act, not a efficient factory boss.
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#12
RE: Carl Sagan: A Universe Not Made For Us
(April 25, 2017 at 7:41 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(April 24, 2017 at 7:41 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I think it's rather romantic to think God went to all the trouble just for us.

You unwittingly told the truth. Yep it is "romantic" to you, and that is you falling for your emotions. 

So this character put 100s of billiions of galaxies in a 13.8 billion year old universe here just for earth's humans? Nonsense.

When my mom needed a ride to her doctor's appointments, I live in NC and she was only 5 miles away. Your "romantic" crap would be like me driving to California and back before taking her to her appointment. 

50 to 60 million humans worldwide die on average per year from everything of all ages. We've never had one day in our species history without death. We've only been writing for 10,000 years, and we were not the first species on this planet.

Seems like a lot of needless waste and bullshit drama if you want to claim a super hero.

You're God sucks at being a super hero. The reason he sucks is becuase he doesn't exist. 

Now again, please don't stupidly accuse me of being angry at a fictional character. 

The way that Character is written, it reads more like Jerry Springer, WWE act, not a efficient factory boss.


It was not unwitting.  He has such an infinitely high opinion of his worthless self, and so hopelessly steep in the craft of verbose intellectual self deceits is he, that he does not recognize what he would like to be true could in fact not be true.
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RE: Carl Sagan: A Universe Not Made For Us
(April 25, 2017 at 8:49 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(April 25, 2017 at 7:41 am)Brian37 Wrote: You unwittingly told the truth. Yep it is "romantic" to you, and that is you falling for your emotions. 

So this character put 100s of billiions of galaxies in a 13.8 billion year old universe here just for earth's humans? Nonsense.

When my mom needed a ride to her doctor's appointments, I live in NC and she was only 5 miles away. Your "romantic" crap would be like me driving to California and back before taking her to her appointment. 

50 to 60 million humans worldwide die on average per year from everything of all ages. We've never had one day in our species history without death. We've only been writing for 10,000 years, and we were not the first species on this planet.

Seems like a lot of needless waste and bullshit drama if you want to claim a super hero.

You're God sucks at being a super hero. The reason he sucks is becuase he doesn't exist. 

Now again, please don't stupidly accuse me of being angry at a fictional character. 

The way that Character is written, it reads more like Jerry Springer, WWE act, not a efficient factory boss.


It was not unwitting.  He has such an infinitely high opinion of his worthless self, and so hopelessly steep in the craft of verbose intellectual self deceits is he, that he does not recognize what he would like to be true could in fact not be true.

I don't think he is worthless, his claims have no evidence, but no, I think most humans are worth something, and worthy enough to want to point out their errors, even with the cold water of blasphemy.

He does have a high opinion of his position, but that does not make everything about him as an individual as far as other claims he might make on other subjects worthless.

I'd only agree that what the theist thinks makes them worth something is really a comic book argument and not a logical argument. 

I still hold the position that most humans are good, even with all the crap they buy that causes them to come to bad conclusions. Most humans get sold the claims of their parents/society they grow up in. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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RE: Carl Sagan: A Universe Not Made For Us
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"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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#15
RE: Carl Sagan: A Universe Not Made For Us
The universe wasn't made for us, we were made in the universe. Human arrogance is awesome at times.
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RE: Carl Sagan: A Universe Not Made For Us
(April 25, 2017 at 1:48 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The universe wasn't made for us, we were made in the universe. Human arrogance is awesome at times.

We weren't even made. We manifested because of countless events throughout our sun's existence. A meteor here, a meteor there, a comet here a comet there, things could have ended up being nothing. We wouldn't exist if it were not for the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. And as far as our current knowledge of the age of the sun, and expected time of running out of fuel in 5 billion years, even if we don't kill ourselves off in a nuclear war, odds are another cosmic collision from a meteor or comet will wipe us out, and if other life is lucky too, it will continue without us.

Humans were not made anymore than a hurricane is made. Conditions lead to both.
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#17
RE: Carl Sagan: A Universe Not Made For Us
(April 25, 2017 at 1:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(April 25, 2017 at 1:48 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The universe wasn't made for us, we were made in the universe. Human arrogance is awesome at times.

We weren't even made. We manifested because of countless events throughout our sun's existence. A meteor here, a meteor there, a comet here a comet there, things could have ended up being nothing. We wouldn't exist if it were not for the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. And as far as our current knowledge of the age of the sun, and expected time of running out of fuel in 5 billion years, even if we don't kill ourselves off in a nuclear war, odds are another cosmic collision from a meteor or comet will wipe us out, and if other life is lucky too, it will continue without us.

Humans were not made anymore than a hurricane is made. Conditions lead to both.

We were made by natural processes that resulted from the conditions found in the universe we live in. 

Was that long winded enough for you?
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#18
RE: Carl Sagan: A Universe Not Made For Us
I like Harlan Ellison's formulation: "We are the universe, observing itself."

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#19
RE: Carl Sagan: A Universe Not Made For Us
(April 25, 2017 at 1:59 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(April 25, 2017 at 1:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote: We weren't even made. We manifested because of countless events throughout our sun's existence. A meteor here, a meteor there, a comet here a comet there, things could have ended up being nothing. We wouldn't exist if it were not for the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. And as far as our current knowledge of the age of the sun, and expected time of running out of fuel in 5 billion years, even if we don't kill ourselves off in a nuclear war, odds are another cosmic collision from a meteor or comet will wipe us out, and if other life is lucky too, it will continue without us.

Humans were not made anymore than a hurricane is made. Conditions lead to both.

We were made by natural processes that resulted from the conditions found in the universe we live in. 

Was that long winded enough for you?

He he. I think we are both being pedantic. I don't like using the word "made" because fundies jump on that and say "AH HA, so everything created has a creator".

When we use certain words it does not mean what the theist wants it to mean.
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#20
RE: Carl Sagan: A Universe Not Made For Us
(April 25, 2017 at 2:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(April 25, 2017 at 1:59 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: We were made by natural processes that resulted from the conditions found in the universe we live in. 

Was that long winded enough for you?

He he. I think we are both being pedantic. I don't like using the word "made" because fundies jump on that and say "AH HA, so everything created has a creator".

When we use certain words it does not mean what the theist wants it to mean.

I never let anyone else dictate how I use language.
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