RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 17, 2017 at 4:58 pm
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Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
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RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 17, 2017 at 5:13 pm
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2017 at 5:15 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
So, in -that- story..to you, it sounds like ibrahim is doing science? As to guts, does it really take much in the way of guts to tell believers no? I don't ever feel like it does, and you're still burning people...so? Meanwhile..you've just described every angsty teen ever, rebelling against the beliefs of their parents and norms of their community.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
He also had a whole army of Smurfs at his command.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 17, 2017 at 5:49 pm
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2017 at 5:51 pm by WinterHold.)
(May 17, 2017 at 5:13 pm)Khemikal Wrote: So, in -that- story..to you, it sounds like ibrahim is doing science? As to guts, does it really take much in the way of guts to tell believers no? I don't ever feel like it does, and you're still burning people...so? Meanwhile..you've just described every angsty teen ever, rebelling against the beliefs of their parents and norms of their community. Newton was observing an apple when the theory of gravity sparked in his head. Abraham looked around instead of blindly accepting what he's being told. "Trial and error" is even presented in that story: he began with observing planets, then the moon, then the sun. The revolution against compulsive backward theism that the Church and many Muslims embraced through the past, did make a huge difference between modern humans and ancient humans who believed in things like flat earth; with no evidence. Islam presents an open invitation to observe everything, and see the design for ourselves. The pattern. Just like Abraham. And just like science begins with observation of natural phenomena. Cyberman In Arabic, they are called "Sanafer". ![[Image: AL-Sanafer-cd-S1--By-QaTaRi.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i114.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn263%2FQaTaRi_Shared%2Fsnafer1%2FAL-Sanafer-cd-S1--By-QaTaRi.jpg)
RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 17, 2017 at 5:56 pm
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2017 at 5:57 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 17, 2017 at 5:49 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Newton was observing an apple when the theory of gravity sparked in his head.I'm observing a pattern. You enjoy stories...... Quote:Abraham looked around instead of blindly accepting what he's being told. "Trial and error" is even presented in that story: he began with observing planets, then the moon, then the sun.Cool story.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(May 17, 2017 at 5:56 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(May 17, 2017 at 5:49 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Newton was observing an apple when the theory of gravity sparked in his head.I'm observing a pattern. You enjoy stories...... All humans do. Back in the past, tribesmen and tribeswomen used to sit around campfire, and bring an old guy to tell and tell. Now, the methods just changed; but the concept is the same. Even science tells a story. Everything is a story. Humans are nothing but deeds; written down to be their stories. So I must enjoy stories. It's who I am. RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 17, 2017 at 6:15 pm
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2017 at 6:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The point seems to have flown over your head like an enthusiastic apple. Neither the story about newton, or ibrahim, is remotely true, and that's laying aside how fantastically you've read your own beliefs into a story that has nothing at all to do with any type of science whatsoever. In the one case, it a is a person mythologizing their lifelong study..and in another - other people mythologizing their lifelong faiths.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (May 17, 2017 at 1:57 pm)Whateverist Wrote:Care to elaborate?(May 10, 2017 at 12:13 pm)Valyza1 Wrote: Why not? If our very identities are determined by God, then we can't help but will things according to His design (namely his design of us). We can choose whatever we want (Free Will), and what we want has been determined by God (Determinism) (May 17, 2017 at 6:15 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The point seems to have flown over your head like an enthusiastic apple. Neither the story about newton, or ibrahim, is remotely true, and that's laying aside how fantastically you've read your own beliefs into a story that has nothing at all to do with any type of science whatsoever. In the one case, it a is a person mythologizing their lifelong study..and in another - other people mythologizing their lifelong faiths. Observation of natural phenomena seems like the dominant explicit act stated in Abraham's story. (May 17, 2017 at 5:49 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Newton was observing an apple when the theory of gravity sparked in his head. Actually, that's not true.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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