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Christian best friend asks me to reconsider
#31
RE: Christian best friend asks me to reconsider
I'm an introvert in a family of introverts Cool
Mom, dad, sis and bro... we're all grouches.
"Hipster is what happens when young hot people do what old ladies do." -Exian
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#32
RE: Christian best friend asks me to reconsider
(June 9, 2017 at 5:04 pm)JamieB Wrote: Hi Jamie. God's love is deeper than any song lyric. The death of Jesus on the Cross was horrible and brutal. Beyond horrific. The difference between His crucifixion and a horror movie, is that in the end, the horror movie does not have a happy ending. It leaves you even more terrified. BUT with Jesus' death, it only lasted 3days. Then He rose from the dead. Over three hundred people witnessed His resurrection.

Only 300 people? There were (according to Wikipedia) over 600,000 people living in Jerusalem at the time.

Why does the Torah depict that miracles are always performed in front of the entire Jewish nation, but Jesus, through his supposed birth to his supposed death was only witnessed by a handful of elite insiders? It’s almost as if previous writings in the bible are telling us that miracles on the magnitude of determining the fate of our eternal souls are performed in front of everyone of that generation. Why did the rules change so suddenly and without any warning or notice?

It’s almost as if the writer(s) of the bible are warning us that unless an entire generation can vouch for something, then we shouldn’t believe it.
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#33
RE: Christian best friend asks me to reconsider
(June 10, 2017 at 10:27 am)JamieB Wrote: You guys are funny as shit. Good shitSmile
I should clarify she's my best friend from high school, and we haven't been close for years for many of these reasons. I let her assume I was still a believer until our long talk the other day. I responded:
Thank u Shan
I love you so much. We can agree to disagree but please don't worry about my eternity. I'll see u in heaven if there is one
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Friends have always been draining to me which is my fault, because allow it. So now I do without friends, because I can easily fuck things up with my now strong opinions. Not worth the agony. Damn! I sound like a bitch.

Oh, sure, just nail her to the cross why don't ya. 

(sniggles)
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#34
RE: Christian best friend asks me to reconsider
(June 9, 2017 at 5:18 pm)JamieB Wrote:
(June 9, 2017 at 5:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: She prefers the company of her special invisible friend.

It's her Happy Place.  Tongue

Exactly. That is her special place. Not yours. Boundaries were created for a reason. Don't let someone guilt you into violating your personal boundaries for the sake of their religious beliefs. If this means letting go of a friendship because she cannot respect you opinions, then as hard as it is, let her go. You don't need someone's toxicity in your life. No matter what their intentions are - good or bad.

Religious people need to be respectful of a persons right not to believe, just as the non-believer needs to be respectful of a persons right to believe. You don't have to respect the religion to accomplish this.

So, for now, step away. Let her pray or do what she thinks will make her feel better, but never let her cause you to feel like you have to cave in just because she can't respect your boundary.

If all else fails and she continues being adamant about this, tell her that until she can respect your right not to believe, you are putting the friendship on hold.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand. 
(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work.  If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now.  Yes, I DO want fries with that.
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#35
RE: Christian best friend asks me to reconsider
(June 9, 2017 at 7:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(June 9, 2017 at 6:42 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: "Thanks but no thanks" should do the trick.

Failing that....try "Go Blow Jesus Out Your Ass."

Dad always said "Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to Hell and have them looking forward to the trip."

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#36
RE: Christian best friend asks me to reconsider
(June 10, 2017 at 2:56 pm)Nymphadora Wrote:
(June 9, 2017 at 5:18 pm)JamieB Wrote: It's her Happy Place.  Tongue

Exactly. That is her special place. Not yours. Boundaries were created for a reason. Don't let someone guilt you into violating your personal boundaries for the sake of their religious beliefs. If this means letting go of a friendship because she cannot respect you opinions, then as hard as it is, let her go. You don't need someone's toxicity in your life. No matter what their intentions are - good or bad.

Religious people need to be respectful of a persons right not to believe, just as the non-believer needs to be respectful of a persons right to believe. You don't have to respect the religion to accomplish this.

So, for now, step away. Let her pray or do what she thinks will make her feel better, but never let her cause you to feel like you have to cave in just because she can't respect your boundary.

If all else fails and she continues being adamant about this, tell her that until she can respect your right not to believe, you are putting the friendship on hold.

If her friend is bi-polar and schiz there may be aspects of empathy/understanding that need to be taken into consideration. The friends disorder(s) may be effecting her ability to understand inappropriate aspects of her behavior.

The behavior should not be enabled but the approach may need to be tempered.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#37
RE: Christian best friend asks me to reconsider
(June 10, 2017 at 10:48 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: If her friend is bi-polar and schiz there may be aspects of empathy/understanding that

The behavior should not be enabled but the approach may need to be tempered.

Well said!
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#38
RE: Christian best friend asks me to reconsider
Nothing was said to that effect, so I offered advice given the info we had to work with.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand. 
(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work.  If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now.  Yes, I DO want fries with that.
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#39
RE: Christian best friend asks me to reconsider
Hope you can figure that out Jamie. I haven't gone out and told anyone from my old church about my being an atheist, but I do get notifications from blasphemous Industrial bands that I think they can see.

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#40
RE: Christian best friend asks me to reconsider
(June 9, 2017 at 5:04 pm)JamieB Wrote: I had a long breakfast with my christian best friend from high school the other day. I thought we agreed to disagree, but I got this long text of concern today. Its the same plea I've heard all my life, but she made it personal. She was diagnosed bi-polar and schizophrenic, so her experiences of hell felt very real to her. Maybe I should let her believe I got my ticket to heaven for her sake, but that is really hard for me. Here's her text:

Hi Jamie. God's love is deeper than any song lyric. The death of Jesus on the Cross was horrible and brutal. Beyond horrific. The difference between His crucifixion and a horror movie, is that in the end, the horror movie does not have a happy ending. It leaves you even more terrified. BUT with Jesus' death, it only lasted 3days. Then He rose from the dead. Over three hundred people witnessed His resurrection. He was alive. He is the God of joy and peace and love and forgiveness. And He is also righteous and Holy. He is so much bigger than this world and this earthly life. Eternity lasts forever. There is no ending. With the Lord, is your Grandma and Bumpa. Your Mom and Dad, your sissies too. Pastor Bear. All those times of joyous laughter, and purity and love. Being goofy. Dancing around singing in our shower caps. So innocent and sweet. All the lullabies you can sing. Those will all be in Heaven. The love and protection we feel with our families. It's the love of the Lord. Forgiving each other and being forgiven. That's Jesus and His love. Why would anyone ever want to not have any of that. Apart from the Lord we cannot and  would not have any of that. No good times. Just being alone and feeling alone, and guilty and scared forever and ever. All those horror movies become the reality. And one cannot turn it off. There is no ending and relief that's over or will come to an end. I speak as someone with just a hint of what that would be like, and my nightmares and terrors only lasted around 10 or 11 years. Hell is never waking up or having them go away.
Please reexamine what you are believing in. I love you so much. Start praying again and pray hard. Tell God everything you are feeling. Tell Him how hard it is for you to believe. Know that He is still with you. In fact, you are His because you asked Him into your heart when you were 13 or 14. His voice resonated with you because you knew He was telling you the truth. The Holy Spirit written about in the New Testament is the same Spirit of God that is talked about in the Old Testament. We can talk more about Him later. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One God distinctly portrayed in three persons. Jamie, similarly you are made up of three persons too. You were created in HD image. Your physical body, your emotions/feelings/mental thoughts, and your spirit. I love you, Jay jay, and Jesus does too. That deep intimacy that you long for can only truly come from Him. No other man can fulfill that. At least, not for long. Anything or anyone else we try for is only counterfeit, and won't last long. It will fade and die like our bodies and the flowers. 
I know this is really long, but there was so much left unspoken. If I didn't care about you, I wouldn't have said anything. BUT I DO.✝ ❤ ? ? ? Good night. His joy comes in the morning.

Sent from my iPhone
That was so sweet my teeth hurt.

I don't think I could ever write something like that to anyone.

That said there are people who do and yet it still has no effect. (to those who demand I play nice.)
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