Gun violence/Media & the word "motive"OP/ED

[The Grand Nudger]

If I could get the NRA out of service I would consider that a public service.

-and you'd be right.....?

When anyone talks about other types of violence existing, so what? Most violence that is not gun related does not end up in DEATH. Better economics for more would reduce all types of violence including gun deaths.

Still don;t have a clue what you're on about Brian.  

Please tell us all what you DO say. 

"It's not the guns it's the user?" Is that it?

It's just, what, three or four posts up, still first page?  Why should you need to ask what I say?  

Because if that is your response I agree. It is the ATTITUDE of the user about the object and ignoring that "just because" does not mean you know what you are doing. 

If I misunderstood you, please explain. But in my prior post it did read to me like you were saying "other bad shit happens" which does not address reduction of gun deaths.

To misunderstand me it would have to have had something to do with me, which it didn't, lol.

[Brian37]

If I could get the NRA out of service I would consider that a public service.

-and you'd be right.....?

When anyone talks about other types of violence existing, so what? Most violence that is not gun related does not end up in DEATH. Better economics for more would reduce all types of violence including gun deaths.

Still don;t have a clue what you're on about Brian.  

Please tell us all what you DO say. 

"It's not the guns it's the user?" Is that it?

It's just, what, three or four posts up, still first page?  Why should you need to ask what I say?  

Because if that is your response I agree. It is the ATTITUDE of the user about the object and ignoring that "just because" does not mean you know what you are doing. 

If I misunderstood you, please explain. But in my prior post it did read to me like you were saying "other bad shit happens" which does not address reduction of gun deaths.

To misunderstand me it would have to have had something to do with me, which it didn't, lol.

Then I must have misunderstood you.

I really do get down on anyone who tries to argue that "other things happen" and even if you are in agreement with me we cant be falling for that. 

You did make the statement that other types of violence happen if I am not mistaken. I do agree with that and I also agree that political and religious violence constitute the least likely events one might get affected by. But I am talking about long term conditions of economics and one industry that has made all types of gun injury/death, possible.

[Amarok]

violence promoted by leftists

The right promotes violence all the time And worst still gives a blank check for lunatics to get access to powerful weapons  . But I'm with Brian for the most part motivation should be secondary to action.

[The Grand Nudger]

@Brian.....Didn't say that, either, and wasn't responding to you in the first place.

[Brian37]

@Brian.....Didn't say that, either, and wasn't responding to you in the first place.

If you claim I misunderstood you fine, then clear it up.

My position is what I stated in the OP.

For too long America has focused on profit, and not enough on stability. When critics of the economic right point out the flaws in their logic, we get falsely called commie or anti private sector. Guns are simply another product that a business owner makes, and like any other CEO or owner, that person will seek more of a market and more share holders. 

When media gets stuck on motive, that allows the industry to hide behind "motive" then sell fear by making the narrative about "rights".

So if you are claiming I misunderstood you, then make it clear what your position is.

Do you support the GOP or NRA on gun policy? If you do, then I don't agree. If you don't and you agree with me that more can be done to reduce gun violence, then allowing others to pull you into the trap of other types of violence is what I am claiming you should not fall for.

[zebo-the-fat]

Maybe one day in the far future America will realise that allowing public ownership of firearms is a bad idea.

[The Grand Nudger]

If you claim I misunderstood you fine, then clear it up.

I already told you, you didn't misunderstand me, I had nothing to do with it.  You have boogeymen dancing between your ears.  

My position is what I stated in the OP.

So we all gather.

For too long America has focused on profit, and not enough on stability. When critics of the economic right point out the flaws in their logic, we get falsely called commie or anti private sector. Guns are simply another product that a business owner makes, and like any other CEO or owner, that person will seek more of a market and more share holders. 

OFC.

When media gets stuck on motive, that allows the industry to hide behind "motive" then sell fear by making the narrative about "rights".

Lost me on that one. The industry sells guns, just a product that a business owner makes.  The NRA sells power.   Politicians sell fear about our rights, though.  Fun fact, fear of future restriction leads to increased gun sales domestically - and a higher republican turnout come voting time.....but as a market, that's just a blip for american gun manufacturers..who seek through their professional lobby (not the NRA) to create a high infrastructure safe haven (that's us, the US) for manufacturing arms for export to places where these discussions of civility and safer communities hold absolutely no weight.  

So if you are claiming I misunderstood you, then make it clear what your position is.

That politically motivated gun violence is a vanishingly small fraction of gun violence.  The idea that the "left" and the media are palpably stoking gun violence, and leftist violence.. is preposterous on those grounds alone, and that's laying aside the funhouse mirror revisionism Neo tried to fob off...which depends entirely upon people forgetting the past decades in news media and politics.  

Do you support the GOP or NRA on gun policy? If you do, then I don't agree. If you don't and you agree with me that more can be done to reduce gun violence, then allowing others to pull you into the trap of other types of violence is what I am claiming you should not fall for.

LOL< Brian, just stop.....we're not having the conversation you think we are.  Boogeymen.  

In any case..I support positions, not groups.  That's what it means to be an independent, lol.  Neither the GOP nor the NRA are incapable of getting a gun issue right.  You'd have to be more specific.

[Brian37]

Maybe one day in the far future America will realise that allowing public ownership of firearms is a bad idea.

It is a bad idea only right now in our current era because of the attitude about the object. Personal firearm ownership is not always a bad thing. But in our current climate the blind worship leads far too many to think "I have no bad intent" which is not what the left is arguing.

I am NOT against personal firearm ownership. I do say however the climate is bad in that we cant get a grip on how firearms should be viewed. I think many whom support the far right want to think it is about rights, but most of the time it really is about a want and not a need.

It is a lot like when liberal Muslims say "I wouldn't" or "I don't" which is not what the non bigots are arguing. We know, just like liberal Muslims, as with gun owners, many do go into it, or think of it as tradition, which is not what the focus should be. 

The real problem with any bad logic, is when the seller cannot see that their is also justification by others to do far worse in supporting the same subject.

In a utopia nobody would be bitching, and that is my point. I would love to see a day when nobody is arguing over gun ownership. But right now, I don't see how it is pragmatic to keep pumping out the number of guns we do and still expect the violence to go down.

[Foxaèr]

Maybe one day in the far future America will realise that allowing public ownership of firearms is a bad idea.

Not likely.

Everyone in 'Murica will kill each other with guns, and then the land will hopefully be repopulated by saner individuals.

[Neo-Scholastic]

violence promoted by leftists

Citation needed you lying sack of shit.

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