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RE: Michael "Intelligent Design" Behe's son is an Atheist
October 8, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Quote:Because Dawkins absolutely does not believe in god. He even explicitly states this to be the case.
Of course he doesnt! He wrote the God dellusion!
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.
You dont hate God, you hate the church game.
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RE: Michael "Intelligent Design" Behe's son is an Atheist
October 8, 2010 at 7:25 pm
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(October 8, 2010 at 6:29 pm)solja247 Wrote: Your premises are wrong, I never said God existed, no one can prove that. However it is either, God exists or He doesnt, there cant be an inbetween. Dawkins doesnt deny that he wants to worship a higher being, he just calls it a dellusion. Maybe it is, maybe it isnt. Of course I say that it isnt a dellusion...
So how have I taken Dawkins out of context?
You worship god because you want to and enjoys kidding yourself, not because you are convinced that he materially exists to objectively reward you for the trouble.
Sir, You are the worst kind of Atheist there is, but that's still better than any religionist. Welcome aboard but be sure to stay in the bilge and never show your face on deck 
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RE: Michael "Intelligent Design" Behe's son is an Atheist
October 8, 2010 at 8:18 pm
(October 8, 2010 at 7:18 pm)solja247 Wrote: Of course he doesnt! He wrote the God dellusion!
You said he wanted to worship a higher power. He doesn't. He expressly stated that he doesn't believe in any god and there is no reason to assume that he wants to.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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RE: Michael "Intelligent Design" Behe's son is an Atheist
October 8, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Quote:You worship god because you want to and enjoys kidding yourself, not because you are convinced that he materially exists to objectively reward you for the trouble.
I dont really doubt that a God exists. The question is, does God want to have a relationship with humans? Although it is absurd, that God would have a relationship with humans, I believe He does.
Quote:Sir, You are the worst kind of Atheist there is, but that's still better than any religionist. Welcome aboard but be sure to stay in the bilge and never show your face on deck
lol. I was in a bible study and they were all looking at me like I was an atheist, I was even challenged with Pascal Wager. Im not an atheist, Im a rational theist and a realist...
If you want to call me an atheist, cool. Just dont call me late for dinner!
Quote:You said he wanted to worship a higher power. He doesn't. He expressly stated that he doesn't believe in any god and there is no reason to assume that he wants to.
I have to admit, I feel sorry for Dawkins, he verses these theists who completely dominate him, because he isnt a philosopher. He spends quite a bit of time looking like a stunned mullet! Poor guy.
Anyways, I dont know, I will ask him one day, when I tell him that he has made me a better Theist, a rational theist.
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.
You dont hate God, you hate the church game.
"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine
Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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RE: Michael "Intelligent Design" Behe's son is an Atheist
October 8, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Quote:Although it is absurd, that God would have a relationship with humans, I believe He does.
"Argumentum ad absurdum" doesn't quite cover a statement like that. You believe what you yourself consider absurd.
Fascinating.
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RE: Michael "Intelligent Design" Behe's son is an Atheist
October 8, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Quote:"Argumentum ad absurdum" doesn't quite cover a statement like that. You believe what you yourself consider absurd.
Fascinating.
I could think it is absurd that flies see time slower than we do, doesnt mean that it is wrong...
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.
You dont hate God, you hate the church game.
"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine
Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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RE: Michael "Intelligent Design" Behe's son is an Atheist
October 8, 2010 at 11:43 pm
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It may not mean it's wrong, but you shouldn't take it as right until enough evidence comes along to dispel the air of absurdity.
Consider your self tossed overboard in cement shoes. "Credo quia Absurdum" has no place in the lowest sump of the bilge.
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RE: Michael "Intelligent Design" Behe's son is an Atheist
October 9, 2010 at 12:09 am
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Quote:It may not mean it's wrong, but you shouldn't take it as right until enough evidence comes along to dispel the air of absurdity.
Consider your self tossed overboard in cement shoes. "Credo quia Absurdum" has no place in the lowest sump of the bilge.
It may seem absurd, but I cant deny it. I do have a relationship with a higher being, either that or I am delluding myself, but my relationship with God is deeper than a mere dellusion.
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.
You dont hate God, you hate the church game.
"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine
Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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RE: Michael "Intelligent Design" Behe's son is an Atheist
October 9, 2010 at 3:02 pm
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Deeper than a delusion? Then its just plain insanity, right?
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RE: Michael "Intelligent Design" Behe's son is an Atheist
October 9, 2010 at 10:51 pm
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(October 9, 2010 at 12:09 am)solja247 Wrote: It may seem absurd, but I cant deny it. I do have a relationship with a higher being, either that or I am delluding myself, but my relationship with God is deeper than a mere dellusion.
Would a delusion delude anyone if it didn't appear to someone to be deeper than a mere delusion?
So, I understand you proved the existence of god using "philosophy". Where did you first cross paths with this "philosophy"?
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