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Matter and energy can be past-eternal
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Oh no Yesmen says I'm a Goon for agreeing with the person who has a good track record of contribution to this forum .As opposed to the douchebag who clings to it like shit on a boot . What will I ever do .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb 
Type away my little minions, type! and support my unfounded claims with sweet, sweet sycophancy! Muahahahaha!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb  (June 30, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Alex K Wrote: Type away my little minions, type! and support my unfounded claims with sweet, sweet sycophancy! Muahahahaha! Where'd you get the coconuts?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
Didn't Hawking claim that there are no true singularities a few years ago? That event horizons are apparent, not actual? If he is correct, there can be no singularity at the core of a black hole, and the universe can't have begun from a singularity.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
June 30, 2017 at 4:20 pm
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2017 at 4:41 pm by Amarok.)
(June 30, 2017 at 4:16 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Didn't Hawking claim that there are no true singularities a few years ago? That event horizons are apparent, not actual? If he is correct, there can be no singularity at the core of a black hole, and the universe can't have begun from a singularity. Yup I believe he talks about in black holes and baby universes and in the grand design . But that's the rub is it's actual or not . Or as Carroll puts it Quote:But singularities are just signs that the theory is breaking down, and has to be replaced by something better. The obvious choice for “something better” is a sensible theory of quantum gravity
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
June 30, 2017 at 4:52 pm
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2017 at 4:53 pm by Alex K.)
It'a the same with the Borde Guth Vilenkin theorem which people like William Lane Craig always like to abuse. It's a beautiful theorem because it works with very simple assumptions, and when those are met (a permanent inflationary expansion of space) you hit "walls" when going back in time in a particular way. This has been used by apologists to claim that this is "proof that the universe must have a beginning". But all it is, is proof that in the past there must be regions of space which did not expand in this manner. Nor does it really tell us that there is nothing before that.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
June 30, 2017 at 4:55 pm
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2017 at 5:00 pm by Succubus.)
(June 30, 2017 at 3:31 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote: You could make me look like a moron (or an even bigger moron, depending on the observer) if you posted evidence that you're a physicist. But you won't because you can't. You're full of shit. Defeat at the castle of heathens seems to have utterly disheartened King Arthur. Mano. The ferocity of the atheist taunting took him completely by surprise, and Arthur Mano became convinced that a new strategy was required, if the quest for the Holy Grail martyrdom of a random wanker were to be brought to a successful conclusion. Mano, having consulted his closest knights, deranged [email protected] decided that they should separate, and independently venture out to make total cunts of themselves. In this, history records they had great success.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
June 30, 2017 at 4:55 pm
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2017 at 4:59 pm by Amarok.)
(June 30, 2017 at 4:52 pm)Alex K Wrote: It'a the same with the Borde Guth Vilenkin theorem which people like William Lane Craig always like to abuse. It's a beautiful theorem because it works with very simple assumptions, and when those are met (a permanent inflationary expansion of space) you hit "walls" when going back in time in a particular way. This has been used by apologists to claim that this is "proof that the universe must have a beginning". But all it is, is proof that in the past there must be regions of space which did not expand in this manner. Nor does it really tell us that there is nothing before that. agreed theists seem to love to manipulate science but are half assed about it (June 30, 2017 at 4:55 pm)Succubus Wrote:(June 30, 2017 at 3:31 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote: You could make me look like a moron (or an even bigger moron, depending on the observer) if you posted evidence that you're a physicist. But you won't because you can't. You're full of shit. And then they encountered a three headed knight. A castle of horny maidens .A crazy old man who part time guards a bridge of certain death. And a group of knights who have weaponized obscure sayings respectively.
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb  Quote:It's strange that a person would wave their credentials around without actually presenting any evidence of them. Well, it depends on where one lives. For example, I'm within 500m of a school, so waving my credentials in public might get me arrested. Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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