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RE: Why is religion in the business of moral policing?
July 31, 2017 at 8:45 pm
(July 31, 2017 at 9:00 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (July 31, 2017 at 1:16 am)Dropship Wrote: Suppose somebody accidentally got his girlfriend "in trouble" and was delighted at the prospect of becoming a father, but his girlfriend wanted to abort it.
In his place how would you feel? Don't dads have rights too?
It has happened to me -- but no matter my "right" to be a father, her right to bodily autonomy trumped my wishes, and that is as it should be.
But to play along with your scenario for a moment: What if both mother and father decided it was a bad time to become parents? Would you then allow both parents exercise the right to choice? Or is this hypothetical, and vague, "right" of fathers contingent upon them agreeing with your stance on abortions?
If you don't mind that your girlfriend killed your unborn child, I don't mind either.. 
Speaking of "rights", doesn't an unborn child have rights too?
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RE: Why is religion in the business of moral policing?
July 31, 2017 at 10:27 pm
(July 31, 2017 at 8:45 pm)Dropship Wrote: (July 31, 2017 at 9:00 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: It has happened to me -- but no matter my "right" to be a father, her right to bodily autonomy trumped my wishes, and that is as it should be.
But to play along with your scenario for a moment: What if both mother and father decided it was a bad time to become parents? Would you then allow both parents exercise the right to choice? Or is this hypothetical, and vague, "right" of fathers contingent upon them agreeing with your stance on abortions?
If you don't mind that your girlfriend killed your unborn child, I don't mind either..
Speaking of "rights", doesn't an unborn child have rights too?
What about the rights of an ectopic pregnancy fetus? Should the mother be charged with murder because the little bastard is doomed anyway? There is very little logical reason to afford unborn life the same status and rights as an adult human, when you take reality and biology into account.
And that doesn't even mean jack fucking shit if the second they pop out of a cooch, they're not given a decent life with the basic necessities, let alone a loving, nurturing environment. You can't have it both ways, you either give them the kind of life you wanted, or shut the fuck up, you goddamn hypocritical twat.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: Why is religion in the business of moral policing?
July 31, 2017 at 10:39 pm
No sensible person such as me objects to abortions if letting the pregnancy continue would seriously endanger the life of the mother, or if scans show that the baby would be born severely mentally or physically handicapped.
But if healthy fetuses are aborted for no such good reason, it stinks..
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RE: Why is religion in the business of moral policing?
July 31, 2017 at 10:56 pm
(July 29, 2017 at 11:02 pm)It_Was_me Wrote: Seems a big aspect of religion, Islam and Christianity is moral policing. You know, don't masturbate, don't watch porn and so on. Why is it these things are considered so bad according to religion? Or at least the Abrahamic ones? I don't see as long as it's not hurting one, then why is it really such a big deal?
Why is porn bad, because of the sex slave trade, because of the sexual abuse of underage children, because of the spread of STD's, need I go on.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why is religion in the business of moral policing?
August 1, 2017 at 7:37 am
(July 31, 2017 at 8:45 pm)Dropship Wrote: (July 31, 2017 at 9:00 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: It has happened to me -- but no matter my "right" to be a father, her right to bodily autonomy trumped my wishes, and that is as it should be.
But to play along with your scenario for a moment: What if both mother and father decided it was a bad time to become parents? Would you then allow both parents exercise the right to choice? Or is this hypothetical, and vague, "right" of fathers contingent upon them agreeing with your stance on abortions?
If you don't mind that your girlfriend killed your unborn child, I don't mind either..
You're being a cunt now. Nowhere in there did I say anything about being okay with her decision.
At least now I know that you're not interested in honest discussion. This will be the last time I waste any keystrokes on you, dickweed.
Quote:Speaking of "rights", doesn't an unborn child have rights too?
No. One must be a citizen or legal immigrant to enjoy rights here in America. Surely you can understand that much, right? Right?
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RE: Why is religion in the business of moral policing?
August 1, 2017 at 8:57 am
(July 31, 2017 at 10:56 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (July 29, 2017 at 11:02 pm)It_Was_me Wrote: Seems a big aspect of religion, Islam and Christianity is moral policing. You know, don't masturbate, don't watch porn and so on. Why is it these things are considered so bad according to religion? Or at least the Abrahamic ones? I don't see as long as it's not hurting one, then why is it really such a big deal?
Why is porn bad, because of the sex slave trade, because of the sexual abuse of underage children, because of the spread of STD's, need I go on.
GC
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RE: Why is religion in the business of moral policing?
August 1, 2017 at 11:51 am
(July 31, 2017 at 10:39 pm)Dropship Wrote: No sensible person such as me objects to abortions if letting the pregnancy continue would seriously endanger the life of the mother, or if scans show that the baby would be born severely mentally or physically handicapped.
But if healthy fetuses are aborted for no such good reason, it stinks..
Before ensoulment, though.
Doesn't that make a difference ??
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RE: Why is religion in the business of moral policing?
August 1, 2017 at 12:01 pm
(This post was last modified: August 1, 2017 at 12:02 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 31, 2017 at 10:56 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (July 29, 2017 at 11:02 pm)It_Was_me Wrote: Seems a big aspect of religion, Islam and Christianity is moral policing. You know, don't masturbate, don't watch porn and so on. Why is it these things are considered so bad according to religion? Or at least the Abrahamic ones? I don't see as long as it's not hurting one, then why is it really such a big deal?
Why is porn bad, because of the sex slave trade, because of the sexual abuse of underage children, because of the spread of STD's, need I go on.
GC
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RE: Why is religion in the business of moral policing?
August 1, 2017 at 11:08 pm
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(August 1, 2017 at 7:37 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (July 31, 2017 at 8:45 pm)Dropship Wrote: If you don't mind that your girlfriend killed your unborn child, I don't mind either..
You're being a cunt now. Nowhere in there did I say anything about being okay with her decision.
Sorry, I must have misunderstood, you told us your girlfriend aborted your baby and then you said-
"..her right to bodily autonomy trumped my wishes, and that is as it should be."
so I assumed you didn't mind her killing your unborn son/daughter.
Sure it was in her body, but you were still its dad.
(August 1, 2017 at 11:51 am)vorlon13 Wrote: (July 31, 2017 at 10:39 pm)Dropship Wrote: No sensible person such as me objects to abortions if letting the pregnancy continue would seriously endanger the life of the mother, or if scans show that the baby would be born severely mentally or physically handicapped.
But if healthy fetuses are aborted for no such good reason, it stinks..
Before ensoulment, though.
Doesn't that make a difference ??
Ah, but nobody knows exactly when a fetus gets a soul, for example it might be at the instant a sperm fertilizes the egg.
This story gives a possible clue-
When the young Jeremiah was told by God that he wanted him to be a prophet, he tried to talk his way out of the job saying "I'm a poor speaker and I'm too young to be a prophet, nobody'll take me seriously" (Jer 1:6), but God said-
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you...and I ordained you a prophet unto the nations"
Which suggests God has got our backs even when we're fetuses, or even "before" that.
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RE: Why is religion in the business of moral policing?
August 2, 2017 at 12:11 am
God knows and put it in the bible.
The soul is conveyed via the breath and ensoulment of the fetus occurs at birth with that first breath.
Godseddso.
That should be the last word on the topic, although I suspect it won't be . . . .
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