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They were also not like-minded in the way that Jesus was actually nice to his enemies. Aside from the whole hellfire bit. The god of the old testament was anything but kind. I grew up firmly believing they were different people entirely because of their significant differences.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
(August 5, 2017 at 2:59 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: For God and Jesus. Father and Son. Think about it. Their relationship is fundamentally different than any human father and son EVER. Use of the phrase, to me, seems to deny the scope/extent/degree/nature of their relationship and misleads those attempting to be faithful to them.
Just throwing this out, but the relationship might be more akin to budding, although I concur it is incomplete too, but less misleading than the 'father and son' label.
Additionally, 'Father and son' implies (asserts?) a genetic contribution from Mary. That can't be possible, as the (for lack of a better term) resultant hybrid would definitely NOT be the original, and would be denying the Trinity in it's essential constitution, which we know to be false.
I'm aware of the limitation of words and wordsmithing, but the term "Father and Son" in regards to God and Jesus is so far off the mark that to use it is equivalent of heresy.
There has to be a better way of saying it.
(August 9, 2017 at 1:00 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(August 8, 2017 at 10:14 am)chimp3 Wrote: Pretty sick shit! Sick when that myth was generated and sick when repeated by you.
Sick, really, the God of the universe sacrificed His life for us, it doesn't get any more awesome than that. He could have just wiped us out and put an end to the whole thing and gone on enjoying His existence as He had for an eternity.
GC
(August 8, 2017 at 12:44 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: Oh, we understand. We just don't buy it.
If you truly understood you wouldn't be an atheist.
GC
(August 8, 2017 at 1:59 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: How about "G" and "Mini-G?"
The trinity. When one gawd just isn't enough for your mono-theism.
Quote: He is one God revealed in three persons, who all are completely like minded in every thought.
GC
What would be the purpose of dividing into three personas 2,000 years ago when there's no mention of three versions of Yahweh = the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies = in the Old Testament?
There has to be a way of accurately describing (and then understanding and BELIEVING!!) the relationship of God, Jesus and Holy Ghost.
An inaccurate conception of that relationship, and subsequent belief in that mistaken version, is incompatible with Salvation.
At least outside of Mormonism. I think we can all agree (barring some befuddled Mormons themselves) the Mormon understanding of the Trinity is entirely, completely, and fundamentally essentially disordered. I'm trying to get the rest of the religious folks out of that particular jam, but as we can all see, even outside of Mormonism, the Trinity is a tough slog in explaining.
And actually, atheists understanding mainline contemporary Trinitarian doctrine is nothing of any import compared to the dire need for all who strive for Salvation to understand and believe PRECISELY and ACCURATELY exactly what that doctrine is.
I'd suggest, in the earlier mentioned and linked video, a line by line refutation/clarification/expansion of precisely where that video gets it wrong, and how the actuality of the Trinity can be and is clearly described and understood (and then subsequently believed) is just what we need to see here.
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
August 10, 2017 at 12:10 am (This post was last modified: August 10, 2017 at 12:18 am by Godscreated.)
(August 9, 2017 at 9:30 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
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What would be the purpose of dividing into three personas 2,000 years ago when there's no mention of three versions of Yahweh = the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies = in the Old Testament?
You must have missed the first chapters of Genesis, they have always been the three in one.
GC
(August 9, 2017 at 8:53 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
(August 9, 2017 at 1:00 am)Godscreated Wrote: He is one God revealed in three persons, who all are completely like minded in every thought.
GC
Luke 22:42New International Version (NIV)
42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
Yep like minded in every thought.
Except this one...
That was the human side of Jesus praying, He knew what the next morning would bring. Yet He accepted as a man the will of God. An example you should follow.
(August 9, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote: No you do not grasp it or you would be a Christian, you haven't the fortitude to seek Jesus.
GC
The GB Wrote:Judge not lest ye be...
Never mind. It's GC I'm talking to.
Yep it's me and you should know not to use scripture that doesn't apply to a conversation... or did you just forget the rest. There was no judgement so none was intended.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(August 9, 2017 at 8:53 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: Luke 22:42New International Version (NIV)
42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
Yep like minded in every thought.
Except this one...
That was the human side of Jesus praying, He knew what the next morning would bring. Yet He accepted as a man the will of God. An example you should follow.
Typical twisted christer thinking. Whatever helps you sleep at night, princess.
(August 9, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:Judge not lest ye be...
Never mind. It's GC I'm talking to.
Yep it's me and you should know not to use scripture that doesn't apply to a conversation... or did you just forget the rest. There was no judgement so none was intended.
GC
Make a judgement about someone's character then deny you're doing it. Yep, it's you alright.
Thief and assassin for hire. Member in good standing of the Rogues Guild.
(August 10, 2017 at 12:07 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: And why didn't Jesus know why God had forsaken Him on the cross ???
Godboy shudda been able to noodle that one out with both hands tied behind his back, let alone nailed to a board.
Assuming that the Yeshua guy was an actual person and not an imaginary one it's easy to see how he had been brainwashed all of his life into thinking that he was really Yahweh's son. His mother had been feeding him a line of BS about it since he was a minute old and the local yokels thought that he was special. So after years and years of such BS he was convinced that he was the real deal. Then, when he had gotten nailed he finally realized that the joke was on him. He was just a deluded lunatic.
