The undeniable miracle at Fatima

[Amarok]

No it's more amazing you ignore the fact this was a hoax and has been demonstrated so . Testimony be damned .

[Ivan Denisovich]

Fatima "miracle" again? Someone faith must be week if it requires validation by shitty stories.

[pabsta]

Even assuming it's all true, how do you get from "sun flying around the sky" to "therefore god"?

 

1. The lady, according to the children, claimed to be from heaven, and her message was a religious one on the need for prayer etc.
   
2. She predicted a miracle months ahead of time to the exact location and time, and relayed this to the children, and it actually took place. No human could make such a prediction - the weatherman can't even get the weather right the day before!
   

[KevinM1]

Your weatherman sucks.

[Astonished]

Even if this was just a matter of a bunch of nitwits mistaking a solar eclipse for something else, we CAN fucking predict solar eclipses. Total load of shit.

[pabsta]

All I keep seeing is responses saying, "Nope, it didn't happen", with nothing else solid to back why you are denying it. You cannot say it didn't happen because it appeared in at least 2 newspapers the following day, and these were anti-religious newspapers. Here is the English translations of the text from each of the newspapers. Something VERY significant happened right where and when the lady and the children said:

After the miracle, the anti-religious newspaper, Diario de Noticias reported:

“At one o’clock the rain stopped. The sky had a certain gray clarity but seemed to suddenly be getting darker. The sun seemed veiled in gauze. We could look at it without strain. The gray tint of mother-of-pearl began changing as if into a silver disc that was growing and growing... until it broke the clouds! Then the silvery sun, still shrouded in that grayish light, began to rotate and wander within the circle of the receded clouds!

“The people cried out with one voice. Thousands, transported by ecstasy fell to their knees upon the muddy ground. Then, as if it were shining through the stained glass windows of a great cathedral, the light became a rare blue, spreading its rays upon the nave... Slowly the blue faded away and now the light seemed to be filtered through yellow. Yellow spots were falling now upon the white kerchiefs and dark shirts of coarse wool. They were spots which repeated themselves indefinitely over the landscape. All the people were weeping and praying bareheaded, weighted down by the greatness of the miracle. These were seconds, moments, that seemed hours...”


O Século, the other skeptical newspaper added:

“From beside the parked carriages and where many thousands stood, afraid to descend into the muddy soil of the Cova da Iria, we saw the immense crowd turn toward the sun at its highest, free of all clouds. The sun seemed to us like a plate of dull silver. It could be seen without the least effort. It did not blind or burn. It seemed as though an eclipse were taking place. All of a sudden a tremendous shout burst forth, ‘Miracle, miracle!’

“Before the astonished eyes of the people, whose attitude carried us back to Biblical times, and who, white with terror, heads uncovered, gazed at the sun which trembled and made brusque and unheard of movement beyond all cosmic laws, the sun seemed literally to dance in the sky.

“Immediately afterward the people asked each other if they saw anything and what they had seen. The greatest number avowed that they saw the sun trembling and dancing; others declared they saw the smiling face of the Blessed Virgin herself. They swore that the sun turned around on itself as if it were a wheel of fireworks and had fallen almost to the point of burning the earth with its rays. Some said they saw it change colors successively.”

[The Grand Nudger]

[KevinM1]

You'd think that if god had an important message to send, he wouldn't send his baby momma/mom to a place that didn't matter to talk to a few children and then put on a magic show a few months later. I mean, for the creator of all things, he's certainly become obtuse in his old age. If it were OT god, he'd just smite the wicked.

[Astonished]

You'd think that if god had an important message to send, he wouldn't send his baby momma/mom to a place that didn't matter to talk to a few children and then put on a magic show a few months later.  I mean, for the creator of all things, he's certainly become obtuse in his old age.  If it were OT god, he'd just smite the wicked.

No, he's always been obtuse if you really read into it. I mean, that whole debacle in the garden? How can you be that big a fuck-up, and blame Adam and Eve for what is absolutely your own embarrassing failure? So like a comedian being heckled by someone who's totally got their number, he just lashes out, not wanting to admit how bad a job he's doing, and we've apparently had to suffer through this temper tantrum ever since. Yeah, that's a god worth worshiping, listening to and not questioning. Fuck off, true believers.

[Astreja]

Pabsta, you believe things that are pretty fucking stupid. Fatima is pig crap unworthy of serious consideration, and the sooner you realize that, the sooner you can join the rest of us in the real world.