The undeniable miracle at Fatima

[Chad32]

I don't know why they value eyewitness testimony so much. Like 500 people saw a bunch of dead people rise from their graves, and walk around town. Who were these 500 people? We don't know. Do we even know the names and birth/death dates of the writers of the bible? I don't think so. Who is Matthew exactly? What do we know about him?

We have claims of things, but nothing to back up the claims. That's why eyewitness testimony alone doesn't hold up in court.

[brewer]

Look, I found this picture on the internet of the sun dancing at Fatima. It came from the catholics.



It's just got to be true. All praise be to god.

[pocaracas]

I read the news report in Portuguese. The one that came out three next day. Written by a reporter that was present at the site.
He didn't see anything... Except a few idiots claiming they were seeing the sun wobbling.
A few is most definitely not thousands.

And it is common practice, among any assembly of people where differing opinions are to be expected, to have a few agents spread out to incite a particular message on the silent majority, thus making it look like most people share that message.
Testimonies from the 60's come more than 40 years too late to be anything more than anecdotes.

[Dropship]

..Millions of people have seen Criss Angel perform magic.  You can't get many more witnesses than that.  But no rational person thinks he's performing miracles...

When he brings people back to life we might think he really does do miracle stuff..
So far, only a guy called Jesus seemed able to do it..

To Lazarus- "Come on out of there mate"

[Alex K]

Where do you get these "facts" from?

 
The facts come from the newspaper articles published the following day, plus the published testimonials I mentioned. Plenty available.

Let's see those articles published immediately after the fact. What exactly do they claim, who wrote it, how reliable is the reporting?

[chimp3]

..Millions of people have seen Criss Angel perform magic.  You can't get many more witnesses than that.  But no rational person thinks he's performing miracles...

When he brings people back to life we might think he really does do miracle stuff..
So far, only a guy called Jesus seemed able to do it..

To Lazarus- "Come on out of there mate"

Oral Roberts said he has brought people back from the dead. If that hick can do it anyone can.

[Dropship]

Oral Roberts said he has brought people back from the dead. If that hick can do it anyone can.

Wen Roberts brings back Elvis and David Bowie we might believe him..

[Cyberman]

I'm sure they'd do anything for Oral.

[vorlon13]

or Oral can bring back his 900 foot tall Jesus for the rest of us to look at.

[Amarok]

First of all, not all events in this world leave behind physical evidence. If I shined a bright light in your face yesterday, there is no physical evidence of it today.

Yup but you could shine it again on my face that same day . Can you get god to move the sun and have it not throw the structure of the solar system into chaos that same da.y I think not so the comparison is trivial .