Did Charlottesvilel mean anything?

[Amarok]

No benny it's you who is wrong and ignorant . You honestly are trying to compare a religion with a few loons to Fucking hate movement . And yes they are evil benny . And your solution is absurd . This is how you deal with white nationalism .And it works.
https://atheistforums.org/thread-50972-page-9.html (post 85 )


Not a violent ideaology then clearly you have not read the White nationalist pop literature by some of the very people who oganized this rally . Or looked into the people who started this rally most of how have a history of violence .
Is Black Genocide Right?by Richard Spencer (his answer is yes)

https://www.unicornriot.ninja/2017/data-...ttesville/

Christopher Cantwell ( a speaker at the rally)
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/...r-cantwell

Earlier today, a right-wing gathering at the local Walmart ended with Christopher Cantwell, a white nationalist speaker at Unite the Right who was once quoted as saying, “[L]et’s fucking gas the kikes and have a race war,” pulled a gun on a customer who confronted them in the parking lot. Police surrounded his followers within minutes but then allowed them to reconvene in McIntire Park.

From the article entitled, When the Alt-Right Hits the Street, You Wanna Be Ready:
Who are We?
Many of us have student loans on degrees that are worthless.
Many of us fought in wars for Jews.
Many of us have struggled with substance abuse.
Many of us are out of shape.
We feel emasculated.
Many of us feel we have never had power.
We crave power.
We lust after power. We want to be part of a group, which will give us power. A group that will confirm our worth as men.
We do not have identities.
We want identities.
We want to be productive. All men want to be productive. We want to build, we want to create, we want to be needed.
We have problems with women. All of us do. We lie to each other and claim that we do not. But we all do.
We are a generation of throwaways, which (((those who write history before it happens))) have slated to be the last generation of Heterosexual White Men.
We are angry.
There is a atavistic rage in us, deep in us, that is ready to boil over.
There is a craving to return to an age of violence.
We want a war.
(published on the daily stormer ) (it's about the rally )

Oh and chanting "blood and soil " or "you will not replace us" While renacting a Nuremberg rally nope no racial violence there

As for the cops there as useless as tits on a bull and have already proven they will take no action against white nationalists
https://itsgoingdown.org/how-cops-let-ne...walk-away/
https://itsgoingdown.org/police-giving-a...eign-know/

Your  moderate apathy is not the solution .
https://atheistforums.org/thread-50972-page-9.html (post 87)

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That's right, now you've got it.  Just like we can't close mosques because some crazy fuck put a bomb in his underwear.  You don't get to generalize an entire group, unless you can demonstrate that the express purpose of the group is criminal.

Muslims are a religion . White nationalism is a militant hate group.

When you for the sake of convenience suspend the need for due process and assumed innocence, then you have become the thing you should most hate.

You can tell them that while they are marching you off to the labor camp.

[dyresand]

I will say this racial issues in this country will get better generationally speaking but at this point
were not a united country and sure as hell were not a united people. Racial issues still persist the drug war is a good example
and even in schools it's set up for a prison to school type system. Zero tolerance policy harms more than doing any good there is research on that.

[Amarok]

As for the argument it was about the statue it was never about the statue

“The purpose of this is to gain sympathy for pro-white advocacy as well as a general uniting of the right wing against these communists who are gonna come shut this down, okay… Going up to, like, MSNBC and them interviewing you and you saying like, “yeah, I actually think we should kill every non-white on the planet”…like again, I don’t necessarily like have an issue with listening to that on a podcast or whatever, but if you are gonna do something like that, even if it’s your true belief, that’s not the objective of this rally, so we should try to keep it with the objective of trying to gain sympathy for a pro-white rally.” – Participant in August 10, 2017 “Unite the Right” Discord voice chat

More plans and general orders among the Unite the right organizers (disturbing stuff)

https://www.unicornriot.ninja/2017/white...scord-app/

Even the oath keepers don't buy this

By showing up at any pro-Trump rally or event and using these opportunities to recruit, these organizations have been steadily growing. Expanding out, they are now targeting “free speech” rallies and luring participants into their web of deceit. The organizations I am referring to include the National Policy Institute (NPI), Identity Evropa and Vanguard America.
 Anyone promoting a claim of superiority based on race is not a patriot, they are a racist.
If you are a patriot, you must not only believe that human liberty is a function of equal human rights, you must practice, promote and defend it. If you truly are a patriot, you must stand against and condemn NPI, Identity Evropa and Vanguard America as organizations that seek to divide us.  You must reject NPI, Identity Evropa and Vanguard America as organizations that inspire violence by falsely making claims of association to our President…
The white nationalists and fascists are attempting, once again, to legitimize themselves by claiming association with Conservatives, Libertarians and Constitutionalists. They are holding numerous rallies labeled as “Free Speech” and “#UniteTheRight” to indoctrinate people (who really should know better) into their racist ideologies.
If the leaders and followers of the white nationalist and fascist movements want to label me a “cuck” because I will never support their cause, so be it. The real “cucks” are the people that get suckered into attending a “#UniteTheRight” or “Free Speech” rally that is nothing more than an opportunity for white nationalists and fascists to promote racial segregation.

The Scourge of White Nationalism,

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The Daily Stormer released  a hit list  local Charlottesville leaders

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More proof the police at Charlottesville were worthless

http://www.c-ville.com/police-show-activists-doors/

[CatholicDefender]

I honestly don't think it means anything on reflection.

The only people who like Nazis or sympathize wit them are themselves and most people hate them. So they are going nowhere

[Amarok]

Blood and Soil and it's Anti Semitic leanings

Though a German expression decades before Hitler came to power, “Blood and Soil” was popularized by the prominent Nazi theorist Richard Walther Darré in 1930, three years before he became Hitler’s minister of food and agriculture. Darré maintained that the preservation of the Nordic race was inextricably tied to Germany’s agrarian population. The idea painted farmers as national heroes who protected the purity of Germany. Under Darré, and with Hitler’s support, the Nazi Party embraced “Blood and Soil” as one of its chief ideologies.

The ideology also helped the Nazi Party blame the decline of Germany’s rural class on Jews. Nazi propaganda usually depicted Jewish Germans as bankers and merchants—a stark contrast to the glorified “Blood and Soil” peasants that Darré and Hitler argued were the backbone, and future, of Germany.
In 1933, the Nazi Party made “Blood and Soil” an official policy, declaring some farmland hereditary. Farmers needed an Aryan certificate to prove that they were a member of the Aryan race in order to receive the law’s benefits.

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Wanna prove to yourself white nationalists and supremacist are violent .Ask one what happens if the non whites don't want to leave .

[Aroura]

Or people who are out to paint "social justice warriors" as a bunch of loud mouthed toddlers.

Me me! I think that. Absolutely. SJWs are waayyyyyyy more influential, and no more tolerant of opposing views, than actual nazis.

Yeah, I see potential friction and possible violence in a group of white men parading around in their Superman underoos. But those idiots aren't going to succeed in shutting down college campuses or harassing white kids who have dreads or like rap.

Here's the litmus test for fascism: if there are cultural views in place which CANNOT be discussed because they are known to be the right way of thinking-- if anyone who opposes them is instantly stigmatized and marginalized-- you've got fascism. And there are for sure views on race, gender, class and so on that meet that criterion, and the loud-mouthed assholes called SJWs are so eager for a pat on their heads that they are the spear tip for ignorance.

By that standard, social views on murder are facism.

Anyway, here we are discussing these views that some claim cannot be discussed, so I guess it fails that test anyway.

[Amarok]

Me me!  I think that.  Absolutely.  SJWs are waayyyyyyy more influential, and no more tolerant of opposing views, than actual nazis.

Yeah, I see potential friction and possible violence in a group of white men parading around in their Superman underoos.  But those idiots aren't going to succeed in shutting down college campuses or harassing white kids who have dreads or like rap.

Here's the litmus test for fascism: if there are cultural views in place which CANNOT be discussed because they are known to be the right way of thinking-- if anyone who opposes them is instantly stigmatized and marginalized-- you've got fascism.  And there are for sure views on race, gender, class and so on that meet that criterion, and the loud-mouthed assholes called SJWs are so eager for a pat on their heads that they are the spear tip for ignorance.

By that standard, social views on murder are facism.

Anyway, here we are discussing these views that some claim cannot be discussed, so I guess it fails that test anyway.

Indeed this definition of facism is nonsense


This is facism plain and simple and there not interested in having a discussion or respecting freedom of speech if it's not there own . And those who thinks those are solutions to this problem are naïve.

[downbeatplumb]

Trump is president.   How can you think people aren't listening to the message of white supremacy?  They're barreling toward it with more hubris then they've had in a long while.

I don't think trump said he believes in white supremacy, did he?

Imagine that had been a pro ISIS rally. with armed ISIS supporters marching through the street demanding sharia law and then killing a protester do you think Trump would have said there were good people on both sides!
No by not condemning these people he showed tacit approval.
Oh and ISIS have not carried out as many terror attacks in the US as white supremacists.

[bennyboy]

I don't think trump said he believes in white supremacy, did he?

Does it matter if the message is explicit or implicit?

Just because a point has been inferred doesn't mean it was implied.

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LOl no

Great argument.  Unless I can find a funnier meme than yours, I'll have to concede the philosophical point I was trying to make.

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He said those opposing white supremacy is as bad as those who advocate it.

Saying those who oppose murder is as bad as those who murder does not seem to imply the speaker believe in the sanctity of life.  

First of all, I don't believe he ever said that. Second, what's this "those?" How many people were driving that vehicle?

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No benny it's you who is wrong and ignorant . You honestly are trying to compare a religion with a few loons to Fucking hate movement . And yes they are evil benny . And your solution is absurd . This is how you deal with white nationalism .And it works.
https://atheistforums.org/thread-50972-page-9.html (post 85 )

Look, there's a constitution, there are laws, and there is due process. In attempting to group and then demonize the group, you intend to bypass all moral argumentation or debate. If America takes this rout, it will bring infinitely more grief than a hundred guys in their Halloween costumes.

Not a violent ideaology then clearly you have not read the White nationalist pop literature by some of the very people who oganized this rally . Or looked into the people who started this rally most of how have a history of violence .
Is Black Genocide Right?by Richard Spencer (his answer is yes)

Look, either you will abide by jurisprudence and by the constitution, or you will decide that some groups are so right in their thinking, and some so wrong, that the rights of the latter no longer matter. You are trying very hard to argue for the latter, not being clever enough to realize that this is exactly how fascism takes hold.

If it was a Black Lives Matter group or an Islamic group we were talking about, I'd say the same thing. I don't necessarily agree wholly with the sentiments of either group, but I will fight to the death for their right to speak their minds, for them to be subject only to the normal course of law, and for them not to be tried in the court of public opinion for guilt by association.

Earlier today, a right-wing gathering at the local Walmart ended with Christopher Cantwell, a white nationalist speaker at Unite the Right who was once quoted as saying, “[L]et’s fucking gas the kikes and have a race war,” pulled a gun on a customer who confronted them in the parking lot. Police surrounded his followers within minutes but then allowed them to reconvene in McIntire Park.

If Christopher Cantwell is inciting to riot, then maybe he should be put in jail. What does this have to do with anyone else who was protesting the removal of the statue in Charlottesville? Were they chanting "Gas the kikes?"

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Imagine that had been a pro ISIS rally. with armed ISIS supporters marching through the street demanding sharia law and then killing a protester do you think Trump would have said there were good people on both sides!
No by not condemning these people he showed tacit approval.
Oh and ISIS have not carried out as many terror attacks in the US as white supremacists.

Let's just go straight to the point and make them witches. Would Trump have refused to condemn witches?

[Pat Mustard]

Apparently you didn't listen to what they were saying. Mostly white protestant religious racism. This is the "new" religious freedom of discrimination.

Stalin had a mustache.
Stalin was a communist.
Therefore, anyone with a mustache is a communist.

David Duke is a white supremacist.
David Duke is a protestant.
Therefore every protestant is a white supremacist.

It doesn't work.

You're a tale told by a fool/
full of sound and fury/
signifying...nothing