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RE: Why are people so affraid of anarchy?
September 8, 2017 at 1:27 pm
(September 8, 2017 at 11:39 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (September 7, 2017 at 9:25 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: It's a good thing that no one was making that claim then.
Ok, well then I'm still totally confused lol. Chuck said "it isn't owning a business that's the problem, it's the buying and selling of it". What exactly is the problem with capitalism then if it isn't that?
Well, numerous examples have been given in this thread, IIRC, but my #1 gripe would be the ever-widening income gap between the haves and the have-nots.
Furthermore, I don't have a problem with capitalism per se, I have a problem with insufficiently regulated capitalism.
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RE: Why are people so affraid of anarchy?
September 8, 2017 at 1:28 pm
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(September 8, 2017 at 1:15 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I like how he completely ignored me once I brought up Medicare and Medicaid. Pretty hilarious, actually. You aren't responding much to my arguments about the governments causing violence among people either, are you?
You didn't exactly explain why you think insurance companies couldn't exist without a government.
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RE: Why are people so affraid of anarchy?
September 8, 2017 at 1:33 pm
What we have now is probably closer to corporatism than capitalism.
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RE: Why are people so affraid of anarchy?
September 8, 2017 at 2:05 pm
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(September 8, 2017 at 1:33 pm)Chad32 Wrote: What we have now is probably closer to corporatism than capitalism.
Corporatism and capitalism are not different points or poles on the same continuum.
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RE: Why are people so affraid of anarchy?
September 8, 2017 at 2:12 pm
(September 8, 2017 at 1:33 pm)Chad32 Wrote: What we have now is probably closer to corporatism than capitalism.
Well, I mostly agree. To me it seems like the only people who oppose capitalism are those who don't understand what it actually is.
And they don't think about the unintended consequences of regulation. Take, for instance, the law that the salt has to contain some iodine to be legally sold as edible salt. It appears to make perfect sense. But consider the following scenario. A country suffers from a scarcity of salt. There comes someone from another country to sell salt. However, that salt contains less iodine than what's permitted by the law. Does that law THEN do more good than harm?
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RE: Why are people so affraid of anarchy?
September 8, 2017 at 2:15 pm
(September 8, 2017 at 1:15 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I like how he completely ignored me once I brought up Medicare and Medicaid. Pretty hilarious, actually.
The fact that he uses medieval knights bossing everyone around as an example is fucking priceless as well.
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RE: Why are people so affraid of anarchy?
September 8, 2017 at 2:15 pm
Obviously moderation is key with regulations. You want businesses to be able to thrive, but you don't want people dumping so much junk into the river that it becomes undrinkable either.
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RE: Why are people so affraid of anarchy?
September 8, 2017 at 3:17 pm
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(September 8, 2017 at 1:27 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (September 8, 2017 at 11:39 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ok, well then I'm still totally confused lol. Chuck said "it isn't owning a business that's the problem, it's the buying and selling of it". What exactly is the problem with capitalism then if it isn't that?
Well, numerous examples have been given in this thread, IIRC, but my #1 gripe would be the ever-widening income gap between the haves and the have-nots.
Furthermore, I don't have a problem with capitalism per se, I have a problem with insufficiently regulated capitalism.
But people haven't really explained WHY and HOW capitalism is bad for poor people, just that it is.
I guess I just haven't been able to understand what it is about Capitalism that causes this gap between classes that some folks disagree with.
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RE: Why are people so affraid of anarchy?
September 8, 2017 at 3:24 pm
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(September 8, 2017 at 1:28 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: (September 8, 2017 at 1:15 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I like how he completely ignored me once I brought up Medicare and Medicaid. Pretty hilarious, actually. You aren't responding much to my arguments about the governments causing violence among people either, are you?
You didn't exactly explain why you think insurance companies couldn't exist without a government.
Because there would be no mechanism for redressing breach of contract except taking your business to another company which may well do the exact same thing. In the meantime, the patient's still dying.
(September 8, 2017 at 3:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (September 8, 2017 at 1:27 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Well, numerous examples have been given in this thread, IIRC, but my #1 gripe would be the ever-widening income gap between the haves and the have-nots.
Furthermore, I don't have a problem with capitalism per se, I have a problem with insufficiently regulated capitalism.
But people haven't really explained WHY and HOW capitalism is bad for poor people, just that it is.
I guess I just haven't been able to understand what it is about Capitalism that causes this gap between classes that some folks disagree with.
Because the more money you have, the more you're able to invest, and the more you earn, meaning you've got more money to invest, meaning you earn more ...
And that is greatly simplified.
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RE: Why are people so affraid of anarchy?
September 8, 2017 at 3:28 pm
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Quote:The fact that he uses medieval knights bossing everyone around as an example is priceless as well.
Why is that example wrong, exactly? They were trying to stop people from being violent by having knights (=police) go everywhere and by having insane torture methods. Yet, the violence was very high. Today, police intervenes much less often and is much less cruel. But, the violence is much lower than it was in the Middle Ages. By that logic, there would be the least crime if there was no government trying to stop crime at all.
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