This Has to Stop

[Thumpalumpacus]

Exactly. I look at a family like the Phelps and say, "yep, that's abuse." But I also know that my family all accept me, our differing beliefs (or lack thereof) notwithstanding.

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't necessarily think raising a child into religion is abuse. There are a lot of factors going into it, are you teaching your child to believe uncritally that this is fact without allowing them to learn to question everything? Are you telling your child that if they grow up to disagree with you that you'll disown them or that they'll be tortured for all eternity? Those things seem abusive to me.

So long as you say "disagree with god" or "god will disown you" or that "god will torture you" it's kay. 

Just don't say the Great Pumpkin disagrees, or will disown you, or torture you for all eternity - because that makes you a deviant and CPS needs to get in there right now before you grow up to make meat sculptures out of people. Truth is, religion get a pass(even among the non-religious) because of it's familiarity, but only the familiar religions. Christians don't even give other -christians- a pass, nevermind muslims or other assorted devil worshippers. This is the product of our traditional deference to traditional religious norms.

[Catholic_Lady]

I don't necessarily think raising a child into religion is abuse. There are a lot of factors going into it, are you teaching your child to believe uncritally that this is fact without allowing them to learn to question everything? Are you telling your child that if they grow up to disagree with you that you'll disown them or that they'll be tortured for all eternity? Those things seem abusive to me.

I would agree with this. Not allowing your child to think critically and telling your child that you will disown them for any reason (religious or otherwise) is emotionally abusive. Conveying your faith to your child doesn't have to entail these things, and usually doesn't.

[The Grand Nudger]

It;s impoosible to convey the message of christianity without entailing horrid things.  Christians don;t think they're horrid things, but that;s because christians fail the outsider test - even though theyre more than capable of applying it to any other christian cult...or any other religion.

A person cannot so much as tell a child (or anyone else) the christian message without suggesting that the solution to their inherited degeneracy...as defined by a magic book, is to kill the better man. Hallelujah!

[Losty]

I don't necessarily think raising a child into religion is abuse. There are a lot of factors going into it, are you teaching your child to believe uncritally that this is fact without allowing them to learn to question everything? Are you telling your child that if they grow up to disagree with you that you'll disown them or that they'll be tortured for all eternity? Those things seem abusive to me.

I would agree with this. Not allowing your child to think critically and telling your child that you will disown them for any reason (religious or otherwise) is emotionally abusive. Conveying your faith to your child doesn't have to entail these things, and usually doesn't.

I don't know if I would agree with "usually doesn't" but maybe "usually doesn't, in America"

[Amarok]

Tell that to Leo Behe

[Astonished]

I don't necessarily think raising a child into religion is abuse. There are a lot of factors going into it, are you teaching your child to believe uncritally that this is fact without allowing them to learn to question everything? Are you telling your child that if they grow up to disagree with you that you'll disown them or that they'll be tortured for all eternity? Those things seem abusive to me.

This is in a nutshell, the distinction I was making between merely introducing the idea (not to the exclusion of any or all others) and outright indoctrination. There are huge problems and other flaws in bringing up religion in child-rearing in and of themselves, but I wouldn't call that abuse in the same way as intentional indoctrination.

It;s impoosible to convey the message of christianity without entailing horrid things.  Christians don;t think they're horrid things, but that;s because christians fail the outsider test - even though theyre more than capable of applying it to any other christian cult...or any other religion.

A person cannot so much as tell a child (or anyone else) the christian message without suggesting that the solution to their inherited degeneracy...as defined by a magic book, is to kill the better man.  Hallelujah!

Yep, there's them other probs I was alluding to about simple religious instruction. So while I'm still going to shake my head and roll my eyes when I hear a parent say they're going to raise a child and give them those lessons along with everything else, I'm not going to condemn them as abusers.

In other news, the same youtube channel I got the original inspiration for this thread from had another video that sicks me the fuck out...








Watching that little girl, all I could hear was, "Gooble-gobble, gooble-gobble, one of us, one of us!"

[Thumpalumpacus]

I don't necessarily think raising a child into religion is abuse. There are a lot of factors going into it, are you teaching your child to believe uncritally that this is fact without allowing them to learn to question everything? Are you telling your child that if they grow up to disagree with you that you'll disown them or that they'll be tortured for all eternity? Those things seem abusive to me.

So long as you say "disagree with god" or "god will disown you" or that "god will torture you" it's kay. 

Just don't say the Great Pumpkin disagrees, or will disown you, or torture you for all eternity - because that makes you a deviant and CPS needs to get in there right now before you grow up to make meat sculptures out of people.  Truth is, religion get a pass(even among the non-religious) because of it's familiarity, but only the familiar religions.  Christians don't even give other -christians- a pass, nevermind muslims or other assorted devil worshippers.  This is the product of our traditional deference to traditional religious norms.

Not much I like from Sam Harris, but a quote of his is very apt here: "There is sanity in numbers."

If enough people believe the horseshit, it turns into roses.

[Astonished]

So long as you say "disagree with god" or "god will disown you" or that "god will torture you" it's kay. 

Just don't say the Great Pumpkin disagrees, or will disown you, or torture you for all eternity - because that makes you a deviant and CPS needs to get in there right now before you grow up to make meat sculptures out of people.  Truth is, religion get a pass(even among the non-religious) because of it's familiarity, but only the familiar religions.  Christians don't even give other -christians- a pass, nevermind muslims or other assorted devil worshippers.  This is the product of our traditional deference to traditional religious norms.

Not much I like from Sam Harris, but a quote of his is very apt here: "There is sanity in numbers."

If enough people believe the horseshit, it turns into roses.

And that's literally the only goddamn fucking thing it's got going for it.

[Harry Nevis]

Teaching children to willfully ignore the evidence for God, that they are biological robots in a meaningless universe, that all the people the love who have passed will be eaten by worms, and that they should mock, ridicule and wish for the death of those who believe otherwise....

That is pure evil.

Ignore the non-existant?