Sexism - homosexuality

[drfuzzy]

It really doesn't make sense that strictly heterosexual men can be sexist and misogynistic towards women. If these men do not like women or constantly boast that men are more attractive and superior, then why they hell are they concealing their same-sex attraction and get on with heterosexual relations? It only makes these men really dishonest and hypocritical.

Can anyone shed light to me on what is it that makes men tick about women?

This is absurd.

Males (both heterosexual and homosexual) are misogynistic and sexist because they have been taught that they are superior beings.  There is a meta message in most human cultures that seeps into males as young as 3 - 4 that females are "less than" they are.  There is a huge message in most media that women are placed on this earth for men's USE.  (A rampant problem in Abrahamic religions but definitely not limited to them.)  The diminishment of female value has no connection with attraction.  Heterosexual males all over the planet can see attractiveness in this "thing" that exists for their use.  This does not mean that most heterosexual males are nauseated when making out with a women and hiding gay porn and enjoying it in secret.  That's ridiculous.
    Homosexual males are also quite prone to misogyny -- partly for the reasons that you seem to be implying.  I have met a lot of gay males who truly believe that the male form and intellect are superior, and snidely refer to women as "fish" or "breeders".  

If you are a male and having trouble understanding "what makes men tick about women" - - well, we'll happily welcome another gay man to the forum.  You'll be in good company.

[Cod]

It really doesn't make sense that strictly heterosexual men can be sexist and misogynistic towards women. If these men do not like women or constantly boast that men are more attractive and superior, then why they hell are they concealing their same-sex attraction and get on with heterosexual relations? It only makes these men really dishonest and hypocritical.

Can anyone shed light to me on what is it that makes men tick about women?

Are you saying Bisexual men only hate women sometimes?

[Martian Mermaid]

It really doesn't make sense that strictly heterosexual men can be sexist and misogynistic towards women. If these men do not like women or constantly boast that men are more attractive and superior, then why they hell are they concealing their same-sex attraction and get on with heterosexual relations? It only makes these men really dishonest and hypocritical.

Can anyone shed light to me on what is it that makes men tick about women?

This is absurd.

Males (both heterosexual and homosexual) are misogynistic and sexist because they have been taught that they are superior beings.  There is a meta message in most human cultures that seeps into males as young as 3 - 4 that females are "less than" they are.  There is a huge message in most media that women are placed on this earth for men's USE.  (A rampant problem in Abrahamic religions but definitely not limited to them.)  The diminishment of female value has no connection with attraction.  Heterosexual males all over the planet can see attractiveness in this "thing" that exists for their use.  This does not mean that most heterosexual males are nauseated when making out with a women and hiding gay porn and enjoying it in secret.  That's ridiculous.
    Homosexual males are also quite prone to misogyny -- partly for the reasons that you seem to be implying.  I have met a lot of gay males who truly believe that the male form and intellect are superior, and snidely refer to women as "fish" or "breeders".  

If you are a male and having trouble understanding "what makes men tick about women" - - well, we'll happily welcome another gay man to the forum.  You'll be in good company.

Most men in 1st world countries arent sexist against women. In fact, more and more people are beginning to hate men. In media, we are taught that all men are sexist and women are oppressed, so now we have a culture of people trying not to make women feel opressed. Women are typically treated better now in most regards. Im sorry for going off on a tangent about that point alone, but I am sick of people acting like all men are sexist when I have multiple male friends from different parts of the world who are perfectly respectful and treat me like anyone else.

[Edwardo Piet]

It really doesn't make sense that strictly heterosexual men can be sexist and misogynistic towards women. If these men do not like women or constantly boast that men are more attractive and superior, then why they hell are they concealing their same-sex attraction and get on with heterosexual relations?

Women are more attractive, but neither sex is superior, and I'm heterosexual and I like both men and women very much . . . but I by definition only like women sexually. Why is your thinking so black and white?

[Cod]

It really doesn't make sense that strictly heterosexual men can be sexist and misogynistic towards women. If these men do not like women or constantly boast that men are more attractive and superior, then why they hell are they concealing their same-sex attraction and get on with heterosexual relations? It only makes these men really dishonest and hypocritical.

Can anyone shed light to me on what is it that makes men tick about women?

Do Bisexual men only hate women sometimes?

[Edwardo Piet]

You just agreed with me, there's no need for me to provide an example.

Again, why are these men who are oppressive towards women still relentless in heterosexual relations?

Because they are men who oppress women who happen to be heterosexual?

Shock and horror: Bad people have sexualities too. And Hitler had body hair! Who would have thunk it.

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That all makes no sense - 'because they are heterosexual'. It leaves me unanswered and still pondering.

It's wondering why heterosexual people behave heterosexually that makes no sense.

Both heterosexuals and non-heterosexuals can be oppressive. Some people are just bastards.

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How can heterosexual men be sexually gratified by someone they perceive as 'inferior' and 'less attractive'

Because "sexually attractive" is not the only sense of "attractive".

Some men who oppress women may find themselves more attractive in one sense (i.e. aesthetically), but find women more sexually attractive and they therefore happen to be heterosexuals.

Inferiority is irrelevant. Unless you're using 'unattractive' as a synonym for 'inferior' and 'attractive' as a synonym for 'superior'. In which case, once again, that has nothing to do with sexual attraction, which is the only thing that is relevant when you're questioning what someone is sexually attracted to.

You seem to be in the habit of equivocating a great deal in general. And I specialize at untying equivocations. So I'm not going to miss them when you make them.

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Really? This is like being totally insensitive and numb but have a burning heart to please the other - that's opposite to receiving - that's definitely men trying to gratify the women. I'm the type who likes to 'absorb' sexually. So this doesn't make sense, sorry.

You're right, that, i.e. what you just said, doesn't make sense.

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What? Who said they have sex to please the other? Yes, they’re insensitive, and they can have insensitive sex.

You just said.

"A man can also feel sexually stimulated by feeling powerful over a woman. A lot of people enjoy being dominant and it gives them pleasure."

I get it that you're talking about men pleasing women who enjoy and are being gratified since these men are 'superior'.

Personally, this is how I interpret your statement, since I always delight in someone superior, sexy and so on to me, enough to dominate and gratify my sexually.

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Incorrect.

Look at the recent news story of Weinstein; he viewed women as inferior, but he also viewed them as attractive, or else he wouldn't have sexually assaulted them or placed them in the roles they got in movies.

Exactly. Hence, my whole question in OP: how can they be heterosexually attracted? It doesn't make sense on the whole.

They're heterosexually gratified because they're sexually stimulated by the opposite sex. It's not rocket science.

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It does make sense.  The question still remains, why doesn't it make sense to you?

Attractiveness and superiority, to me, are inextricably intertwined.

But we're not talking about what's attractive to you so that's irrelevant.

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I’m going to bed.

My conclusion for you is that men who treat women like shit aren’t necessarily gay. They might just enjoy those power trips.

Power trips are very hard to imagine as a one-way street - no reciprocal and mutual joy.

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And why is that a problem?

It's not a problem! My problem is how can men be attracted to women if women are 'inferior' and 'unattractive'.

Because those two words mean different things?

[The Industrial Atheist]

You really can't help what you like. It's very possible to despise someone yet find them attractive physically.

[notimportant1234]

Well this one may be a troll.
But for the sake of the argument I'll give it a try.
Evenf if 'inferior' = 'unatractive' , the men who have this view probably suffer from an inferiority complex , so basically the feeling of dominance over someone gives them arrousal, gratification etc .