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One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
#31
RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
(November 7, 2017 at 10:17 am)Khemikal Wrote: @ Mystic
I would expect a holy book from god not to be such blatantly obvious shit, yeah.  

Meanwhile, your god couldn't accomplish his purpose without malaria.  Some god.

If there was a God, do you think by your attitude you would find it?

If there was a holy book, do you think by your attitude you can recognize that it is from God?
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#32
RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
(November 7, 2017 at 10:19 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think the opposite. I think the fact that there is such a  universal consensus through all cultures and countries that certain things are wrong, supports the belief that morality is objective and that we have an inherent understanding of that. No other "opinion" is so universal as it is when it comes to these black and white moral issues.

So if you wipe out the human race would evil still exist? Could a machine left behind be able to measure evil?
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#33
RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
(November 7, 2017 at 10:22 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(November 7, 2017 at 10:19 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think the opposite. I think the fact that there is such a  universal consensus through all cultures and countries that certain things are wrong, supports the belief that morality is objective and that we have an inherent understanding of that. No other "opinion" is so universal as it is when it comes to these black and white moral issues.

So if you wipe out the human race would evil still exist? Could a machine left behind be able to measure evil?

I like you, Mathilda, you always confirm the premises I use to prove God. Thank you.
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#34
RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
(November 7, 2017 at 10:21 am)MysticKnight Wrote: If there was a God, do you think by your attitude you would find it?

If there was a holy book, do you think by your attitude you can recognize that it is from God?

First you'd have to define what a god is before expecting an answer.
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#35
RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
(November 7, 2017 at 10:19 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(November 7, 2017 at 10:13 am)Whateverist Wrote: Nope, not objectively wrong.  But, and this will look like exactly the same thing, it just so happens you will find near unanimity of agreement that those things are wrong subjectively.  The fact that it is only near unanimity accords better with the evil being a subjective phenomenon than an objective one.

I think the opposite. I think the fact that there is such a  universal consensus through all cultures and countries that certain things are wrong, supports the belief that morality is objective and that we have an inherent understanding of that. No other "opinion" is so universal as it is when it comes to these black and white moral issues.


The universality of certain moral dispositions do make them objective in that sense.  But the objectivity arises in a subjective arena.  Morality is a subjective phenomenon.
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#36
RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
Catholic_Lady Wrote:I honestly don't understand why people are so mean to MK. You may think what he says is looney, and his way of talking IS different... but he's never mean or disrespectful of anyone. Why be mean to him?

I think it's largely because he used to be more reasonable and he's lost that, which is both tragic and irritating.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#37
RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
(November 7, 2017 at 10:21 am)MysticKnight Wrote:
(November 7, 2017 at 10:17 am)Khemikal Wrote: @ Mystic
I would expect a holy book from god not to be such blatantly obvious shit, yeah.  

Meanwhile, your god couldn't accomplish his purpose without malaria.  Some god.

If there was a God, do you think by your attitude you would find it?

If there was a holy book, do you think by your attitude you can recognize that it is from God?

If there was a god, my attitude wouldn't affect it a single iota, Mr Tone Police.  If there was a magic book it's magical qualities would be indisputable. Do you understand how silly that sounds?  

Do you think you'll ever find oxygen with that attitude?  How would you recognize oxygen with that attitude?
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#38
RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
Wait, so raping children is just subjectively wrong? The hell?? There is no possible justification for raping children ever. That's objectively wrong. Don't defend crap like that just to give your point more weight
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#39
RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
(November 7, 2017 at 10:23 am)MysticKnight Wrote:
(November 7, 2017 at 10:22 am)Mathilda Wrote: So if you wipe out the human race would evil still exist? Could a machine left behind be able to measure evil?

I like you, Mathilda, you always confirm the premises I use to prove God. Thank you.

Answer to the above question I posed was 'No' both times by the way.

your premises are faulty.
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#40
RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
(November 7, 2017 at 9:12 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I honestly don't understand why people are so mean to MK. You may think what he says is looney, and his way of talking IS different... but he's never mean or disrespectful of anyone. Why be mean to him?

Because he acts as though what he is saying is steeped in profoundity and revelation, when in reality it's nothing more than sanctimonious prose shit-packed with deepities (if they even qualify as that.) And, he has the audacity to preach it to us.

Also, he regularly tells us all that we actually do believe in god, and that we're just lying when we say we don't, which I find extremely rude, and annoying.
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