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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 12:28 am
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 12:33 am
(November 8, 2017 at 12:09 am)Hammy Wrote: I think it does matter what people think when we're discussing morality and the problem of evil.
It doesn't matter what you, or they... think about better worlds or whether or not a reward is worth it to someone. The problem of evil can be restated for better worlds, and nothing about there being candy at the end of the rapefest makes it less of a rapefest.... so that's a complete non-issue for the PoE.
If this is the best god can do then this is the best god can do. Suffering exists in this world. In that case, god may be willing, but he's just not capable.
If this isn't the best he could do, it;s still what he did. Suffering exists in this world. In that case, he's capable, but not willing.
If he's both willing and able...then at least some of this suffering wouldn't exist...and yet it does.
These guys are telling us that they can't solve the PoE (completely predictable), but they're pretty sure god is giving out lollies so they don't need to think about it.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 12:34 am
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 12:36 am
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I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 12:52 am
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(November 8, 2017 at 12:33 am)Khemikal Wrote: It doesn't matter what you, or they... think about better worlds or whether or not a reward is worth it to someone. The problem of evil can be restated for better worlds, and nothing about there being candy at the end of the rapefest makes it less of a rapefest.... so that's a complete non-issue for the PoE.
The bold part is kind of my point. And that's why it *is* an issue. A truly good God wouldn't make a world with evil in it. There isn't anything that can justify any of that. The PoE is irrefutable.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 1:23 am
(November 7, 2017 at 10:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I am saying it's not possible for God to create himself.
You're absolutely right.
It took man to create gawd.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 2:23 am
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 2:40 am
(November 8, 2017 at 2:23 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Such a good control model worthy to be a role model for Shiite and Sunni Muslims too.
Big Mo was certainly a fan. Perhaps he got a taste for it in Syria? After all..he decided to hijack the eastern christian faith, sprinkle a bit of rabbinical judaism for flavor...then account for the superstitions of the locals.....insisting all the while that he spoke for god. 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 2:56 am
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(November 8, 2017 at 2:40 am)Khemikal Wrote: (November 8, 2017 at 2:23 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Such a good control model worthy to be a role model for Shiite and Sunni Muslims too.
Big Mo was certainly a fan. Perhaps he got a taste for it in Syria? After all..he decided to hijack the eastern christian faith, sprinkle a bit of rabbinical judaism for flavor...then account for the superstitions of the locals.....insisting all the while that he spoke for god.
Not really. To approach Islam is so different than approaching Christianity.
In Islam, you read the Quran like Mohammed did, and you don't trust the clergy or your fathers with their teachings. Also; you tend to contact God directly (by praying). There is no "official clergy" that contact God for you.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 3:03 am
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Quote:Always fun when others tell me what I believe in ?
Yes it is fun reading a theists magic book and watching them try squirm out of the awful shit it say .
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