Why the Texas shooting is not evil, based on the bible

[Joods]

...Responding to the murder of 26 Christian people in church by taking it as an opportunity to criticise their faith. The sociopathy is strong with this one.

This was indeed a senseless tragedy that never should have happened in the first place. But I don't see anyone standing up and saying anything against those people who are blaming atheism on this. The shooter was deranged and should never have been allowed to have guns. The military dropped the ball with this guy and dozens of innocent lives were taken.

[Brian37]

...Responding to the murder of 26 Christian people in church by taking it as an opportunity to criticise their faith. The sociopathy is strong with this one.

CL, you have been here far too long to pull this.

It is about LOGIC, not rights.


WE get you truly believe what you do. WE get that you hold the position that your God is good, and the correct one. WE GET THAT. Many of us used to believe. I am a former Catholic myself, so please don't go there.


We criticize the logic of it. We don't like events like this anymore than you do. 

The logic simply is not there to claim an all powerful deity, who claims to be your protector but cant or wont stop things like this.

"Mysterious ways"
"I can do what I want"
"Free will"
"I don't have to explain myself to you".
"Faith"

If you needed a baby sitter, and interviewed them for the job, and they gave you the following response, would you hire them?

You, "So what is your past experience?"

Baby sitter, "I have baby sat 99 kids. 33 of them nothing happened to. 33 I allowed a child molester to molest them, but got them arrested after the molestation. 33 I let the molester rape them and murder them and let them flee."

Would you hire such a baby sitter with such a spotty record? I am sure your answer is "no". 

Great, I would not either. So what excuse would an allegedly "all powerful" God have?

Maybe God belief exists, not because a God exists, but because humans gap fill, and want a God to exist. Maybe if humans want less of these types of events happening, maybe instead of clinging to old mythology, we rely on data, we rely on laws, we rely on psychology, we rely on social stability. 

Yes we are going to criticize any and all God claims, not just yours, but all worldwide. If our species never questioned social norms, our species never would have left the caves.

[drfuzzy]

A Texas Pastor named Hans Fiene says that it was God's will, that God did those 26 people a favor by bringing them to heaven.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/conserv...-get-shot/

Ever since I was little, I have wondered, with the message of "this world is horrible, sin is everywhere, it's just a test and if we pass we'll get to go to heaven for eternity" - 
why there aren't more xtian suicides.  Oh, but you have to pass the test first, suicide is a sin.  But I have met so many fundies who are focused ONLY on being holy enough
to get to heaven, and I have a lot of personal experience with people who will do anything . . . deny science, deny education, destroy their own children . . . to be HOLY ENOUGH.

Apparently the babies and toddlers got a pass from the "test".  Apparently getting murdered by a violent, angry gunman gives you a pass.  (And a nasty atheist murderer at that!)
Now, most of the xtians I know are kind, educated folks.  But I had a moment where I pictured a lineup of ignorant, holier-than-thou, racist, misogynistic, homophobic creationist
funditards (think Westboro) with a gunman doing them the ultimate glorious favor and sending them right to their god.  

I wouldn't, really, I wouldn't.  But geez, so many of these folks pray to die . . . or pray for the Rapture -- reminds me of all of those great cartoons after one of the predicted Rapture dates passed -- 


aw dammit what do you mean they're still here??  Man we were planning a party . . .

[Face2face]

Well Hitler was an exceptionally fine xtian.  Had he won the war the church would have made him a saint.

But you are a bit late with pointing this out.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/conserv...-get-shot/

Conservative writer: God was ‘answering prayers’ of Texas victims by letting them get shot

Hans Fiene, a Lutheran pastor who is also a regular contributor to the right-wing website The Federalist, has written a new column in which he explains that allowing 26 people to die at the hands of a crazed gunman at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, this weekend was actually God’s way of answering their prayers.

The article on rawstory.com didn't talk about being closer to God, by approaching God's kill count, but it is still very sickening.

If the article both talked about rapture, and the gunman trying to reach God's kill count, then it would be a fully valid article, because this would then explain why theists love Gods even when Gods are said to kill billions of people/wipe out entire planet species, only saving a few to torture later.

So when there's a mass shooting in USA or bombing in elsewhere, or soldiers gunning each other down, I say "there goes another set of murderers trying to get closer to God".

[Minimalist]

...Responding to the murder of 26 Christian people in church by taking it as an opportunity to criticise their faith. The sociopathy is strong with this one.

An equivalent number of people were killed at Sandy Hook.  It hasn't stopped the gun nuts from claiming it was a government conspiracy.  Remember, we are atheists.  Churches have no special status to us.  In fact, I find schools far more useful.

[Face2face]

Clearly stated?

Clearly stated my foot.  

Where is the evidence that God clearly stated this or that?
Where is the evidence that what is written in this or that book is what God said or if is true what is written in a particular book about God what about the correct interpretation of the words?

Are you aware that if you would face a judge in a court of law with no clear evidence you would lose the case?    

Even if God created the good and evil are the human being that act using their free will not God.

(color mine)

What do you mean where in the Bible is it clearly stated that God is a mass murderer?

I provided the scripture (Isaiah 45:7)

Unless pre school English has recently radically been changed, "all evil" would nicely cover any messed up thing to ever happen to humans or any other species.

That evil also includes "free will", as murderers have the "free will" to murder here on earth, according to the bible and free will is yet another thing, and God created all things.

Anything that happens is on "God" , as God is said to create all things, including the action of man. The minute you say God didn't do it, you are lying about the "holy Bible" which says in fact God did it and does it all, not just the good bits, but the messed up bits too.

Its funny most theists say God did it when good things happen, otherwise they suddenly turn of God's did and does everything power when bad things happen.

That is some fine contradiction right there.

[Minimalist]

Apparently the "free will" of the victims not to be murdered doesn't count for shit with this so-called 'god.'

[Nay_Sayer]

...Responding to the murder of 26 Christian people in church by taking it as an opportunity to criticise their faith. The sociopathy is strong with this one.

Perhaps, but he's not wrong.

[Martian Mermaid]

Hello.

The disgusting Texas shooting that occurred recently got me thinking.


In the bible, God is said to wipe out the entire planet's animals (save for a Noah and family, and animal pairs)

I always wonder why theists love Gods that are clearly stated to fancy killing billions. 

Eg: Isaiah 45:7 says God creates all good and evil.

Now for the question: Is killing more and more humans a way for theists to get closer and closer to the bible God's kill count (i.e. closer and closer to God)? In that case, was Hitler an exceptionally good Christian?

Wouldn't God kind of take credit for every death anyway since he created creatures to eventually die?

[Succubus]

Apparently the "free will" of the victims not to be murdered doesn't count for shit with this so-called 'god.'

Where was Elisabeth Fritzl's free will not to raped by her father over a period of 24 years. God moves in mysterious ways.