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RE: Australia: Martyr complex among "no" voters
November 20, 2017 at 7:02 pm
(November 20, 2017 at 6:17 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: To argue otherwise, outside the framework of natural law, is to deny any objective distinction between marriage and other types of human relationship. Of course we could have a reasonable discussion about the nuances of my position but we cannot since you've already concluded that the defense of traditional marriage is an irrational prejudice.
What natural law would that be, Chad? The one where homosexual behavior has been observed in hundreds of mammalian species, or your made up one where homosexual behavior is "unnatural?"
We could have a reasonable discussion, but that would require that you hold a reasonable position.
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RE: Australia: Martyr complex among "no" voters
November 20, 2017 at 7:23 pm
(November 20, 2017 at 6:22 pm)Wololo Wrote: Second of all he's lying about christians in Iran. Being christian in Iran is as likely to get you killed as being muslim in the US, and being jewish there is far less likely to get you killed than being muslim in either Israel or Palestine.
You are so right. I'm probably the most credulous atheist you will ever meet. (It was critical thinking alone that convinced me that there is no god.) If I would have stopped and thought about it for a minute, I would have realized that Iran doesn't have such a draconian policy towards Christians. Thanks.
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RE: Australia: Martyr complex among "no" voters
November 20, 2017 at 7:37 pm
(This post was last modified: November 20, 2017 at 7:39 pm by Cecelia.)
Traditional Marriage is a word, I find, that religious people use to try to make the position sound stronger than it actually is. Of course, the argument fails as a whole. We're an ever changing culture. Some people want to cling to their old culture, because they find it comfortable and because they find it puts them in a position where they can feel superior. Tradition is a word that means nothing more than "It's been done this way for a long time." Which is itself rather meaningless. Just because something has been done one way for a long time, doesn't mean that changes don't need to be made. We had the institution of slavery for a very long time. For a very long time black people could not marry white people. For a long time, women couldn't vote. I imagine this is the culture some people would like to return to. And it'd be nice if we had a time machine, so we could send them back in time, and then bring forward those who suffered as a result of the views of those in power at the time. It'd be a curious experiment to see, without those to oppress--if their culture would simply find a new group to oppress. I'm almost certain they would. Perhaps it'd even be those who cling to the traditions of the past, and chose to go back in time. After all, they'd be the most different when you remove all else. They'd be a minority--which is what they fear most of all (becoming a minority). They'd be the ones without power, and would make them easy targets. And that's really what it comes down to. Those who have a need to feel superior to others--they need a group to oppress. They need a group who is different -- because how else can they know who to hate?
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RE: Australia: Martyr complex among "no" voters
November 20, 2017 at 7:46 pm
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RE: Australia: Martyr complex among "no" voters
November 20, 2017 at 9:08 pm
Us evil convicts are turning soft I tell ya!
Before you know it we'll be helping old ladies cross the street !
It's a slippery slope my friends!
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RE: Australia: Martyr complex among "no" voters
November 20, 2017 at 9:18 pm
(November 20, 2017 at 9:08 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Us evil convicts are turning soft I tell ya!
Before you know it we'll be helping old ladies cross the street !
It's a slippery slope my friends!
"Helping old ladies across the street"??
Is that how it's supposed to work?
I thought it was just pushing them into traffic!
Ooops!
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RE: Australia: Martyr complex among "no" voters
November 20, 2017 at 10:35 pm
(November 20, 2017 at 9:08 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Us evil convicts are turning soft I tell ya!
Before you know it we'll be helping old ladies cross the street !
It's a slippery slope my friends!
Especially if you crack a fat while in the cross walk. Slippery slope indeed!
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RE: Australia: Martyr complex among "no" voters
November 21, 2017 at 6:05 am
Atheism in Australia is about 30% of the population, so millions of theists voted yes.
Of those that voted no, a lot were duped by the no campaign into thinking that there would be legal repercussions for churches that wouldn't marry gays and that weird sex classes would be introduced at schools for very young children.
I'd like to think that your Neo type x-tian is a minority here in Australia.
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RE: Australia: Martyr complex among "no" voters
November 21, 2017 at 6:13 am
LL. I went to church twice in the last 3 years. Stayed for the morning service (I know, excruciating) then for the niece's baby's baptism.
Both time, there was no one in church under what looked like 60-70 years old except us.
The future of Christianity here is looking very bleak....
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RE: Australia: Martyr complex among "no" voters
November 21, 2017 at 7:30 am
Yeah, my mum's 65 and she's one of the young ones at her church.
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