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Do Atheists Believe in the Supernatural?
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RE: Do Atheists Believe in the Supernatural?
(November 5, 2010 at 8:24 am)Jazzykatt Wrote:
(November 4, 2010 at 8:02 pm)annatar Wrote: Supernatural is something that can't be explained by natural laws. So if a supernatural event occurs, than we are wrong about natural laws so we need to find out true natural laws . therefore Supernatural is not and never will be exists.(except the tv series..)

Thank you for that perspective. I never thought of if that way.

how do you account for laws of logic? these laws are universal, immaterial, and unchanging how does a strictly natural or material world create these laws? or are these laws man-made?
(November 5, 2010 at 12:45 pm)Ace Wrote:
Quote:I would ask how do you know, that what you know is all there is
Evidence, observation.

Quote:My question is how have you come to the conclusion that there is no God? God of the Bible specifically.
I was never religious. I never did believe in god. The main reason was because there is no evidence. There is no credibility and it happens to be extremely improbable. So I have every reason to reject it. I have every reason to lack belief in god. Not one good reason to believe in it.
That is why.

observation depends on our senses and how do you know your sense are right?
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#22
RE: Do Atheists Believe in the Supernatural?
(November 5, 2010 at 12:45 pm)CantStopATruck Wrote: observation depends on our senses and how do you know your sense are right?

We have a number of senses but there are no certainties. We could all be imagining all this. We could all be suffering from hallucinations. Unless you know of another way of perceiving that is more reliable than our senses.
Faith won't cut it I'm afraid. That can also be wrong.

We observe, test, test again, study, measure and gather data from all these. This is how we learn, this is how we advance in knowledge. But no matter what we do or how we go about it. There can be no 100% certainty.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#23
RE: Do Atheists Believe in the Supernatural?
(November 4, 2010 at 4:59 pm)Jazzykatt Wrote: I would really like to hear what others think about ghosts, hauntings and things that go bump in the night. I personally have never experienced such phenomenon; although I may have convined myself that I saw or heard something when I was a teenager with a ouija board and an overactive imagination. Thinking

That would a "no" on ghosts. It seems to me that if one leaves open the possibility that ghosts exist, or any other supernatural phenomena, then it's not much of a leap to then suppose that souls, the afterlife, and finally, god, exists. So believing in ghosts seems to open a Pandora's box of other possible spiritual entities. Occam's razor, once again, provides the most logical path. If you've personally experienced such "ghosts," then your own mind is the likely creator.
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#24
RE: Do Atheists Believe in the Supernatural?
We have a number of senses but there are no certainties. We could all be imagining all this. We could all be suffering from hallucinations. Unless you know of another way of perceiving that is more reliable than our senses.
Faith won't cut it I'm afraid. That can also be wrong.

We observe, test, test again, study, measure and gather data from all these. This is how we learn, this is how we advance in knowledge. But no matter what we do or how we go about it. There can be no 100% certainty.


how can you be 100% certain that it is not possible to be 100% certain?

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#25
RE: Do Atheists Believe in the Supernatural?
The mods have a hell of a job cleaning up your quotes.

Quote:how can you be 100% certain that it is not possible to be 100% certain?
I'm not 100% certain. Tongue
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#26
RE: Do Atheists Believe in the Supernatural?
I'm not 100% certain. Tongue

so if you are not 100% certain then that leaves a possibility open in your thinking for the possibility that there is a God.

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#27
RE: Do Atheists Believe in the Supernatural?
(November 5, 2010 at 1:42 pm)CantStopATruck Wrote: so if you are not 100% certain then that leaves a possibility open in your thinking for the possibility that there is a God.

Correct. As an agnostic atheist I don't claim 100% certainty that there isn't a god. I do leave open the possibility that there might be a god. You'll find that a large majority of atheists don't claim 100% certainty that god does not exist. Gnostic atheists maybe but not agnostic atheists like my self.

I'm always open to other possibilities no matter how improbable. I'm open to the possibility of the existence of god, it's just that I don't believe that there is one, due to lack of evidence.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#28
RE: Do Atheists Believe in the Supernatural?
(November 5, 2010 at 1:42 pm)CantStopATruck Wrote: I'm not 100% certain. Tongue

so if you are not 100% certain then that leaves a possibility open in your thinking for the possibility that there is a God.

i don't find it valid that you are making a logical conclusion that you yourself know can not be right. cause it cant be 100% true.
I don't have anymore time to spend with you. So as a closing i would like to respond to your signature. with out a God you would not have anything that you speak of. I pray that all of you who read this will come to repent of your sin and Trust in Jesus Christ as your savior as he is he only way to heaven and eternal Life. God Bless you i hope i have represented my Savior well, and if i haven's i would ask for your forgiveness.

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#29
RE: Do Atheists Believe in the Supernatural?
(November 5, 2010 at 2:51 pm)CantStopATruck Wrote:
(November 5, 2010 at 1:42 pm)CantStopATruck Wrote: I'm not 100% certain. Tongue

so if you are not 100% certain then that leaves a possibility open in your thinking for the possibility that there is a God.

i don't find it valid that you are making a logical conclusion that you yourself know can not be right. cause it cant be 100% true.
I don't have anymore time to spend with you. So as a closing i would like to respond to your signature. with out a God you would not have anything that you speak of. I pray that all of you who read this will come to repent of your sin and Trust in Jesus Christ as your savior as he is he only way to heaven and eternal Life. God Bless you i hope i have represented my Savior well, and if i haven's i would ask for your forgiveness.

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Thank you and fuck you too. Come again.


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#30
RE: Do Atheists Believe in the Supernatural?
(November 5, 2010 at 2:51 pm)CantStopATruck Wrote: i don't find it valid that you are making a logical conclusion that you yourself know can not be right. cause it cant be 100% true.
I don't have anymore time to spend with you. So as a closing i would like to respond to your signature. with out a God you would not have anything that you speak of. I pray that all of you who read this will come to repent of your sin and Trust in Jesus Christ as your savior as he is he only way to heaven and eternal Life. God Bless you i hope i have represented my Savior well, and if i haven's i would ask for your forgiveness.

Quote:i don't find it valid that you are making a logical conclusion that you yourself know can not be right. cause it cant be 100% true.
What do you mean "cannot be right"? Not being able to have 100% certainty doesn't mean the truth behind it is any less true. There could be a god, but then again there may not be a god. The thing is, god is an extremely high improbability. It's extremely likely that he doesn't exist.
Reality doesn't change, only our perception of it does.

Quote: pray that all of you who read this will come to repent of your sin and Trust in Jesus Christ as your savior as he is he only way to heaven and eternal Life.
Careful, preaching is against the rules. It's counter productive and does nothing to encourage proper discussions.
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You have convinced me by this post of yours that your are very delusional. I shall not put too much effort into future discussions with you.

Quote:God Bless you i hope i have represented my Savior well, and if i haven's i would ask for your forgiveness.
No more preaching. If you want to discuss matters of religion then fine, just don't continue on what you're doing. It's counter productive. It does nothing to promote discussions.

BTW, work on your quoting and grammar.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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