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[Minimalist]

Oh my goodness, agreeing to have sex with your spouse even though we're not really feeling it at the moment isn't marital rape!   
Obviously marital rape is bad.

Though you are correct about the second part. Catholics use timed abstinence during the fertile time of the month as birth control when trying to avoid pregnancy. You don't have to be trying to have a baby every time you have sex. That's just Jehanne spreading more ignorance and misinformation about Catholicism.

Most Catholics just use regular birth control,  of course. At the same rate as the rest of the population. https://thinkprogress.org/birth-control-...-it-anyway

I was raised Catholic in a very conservative perish, and our CCD teacher (who was 60 and an annunciated virgin to Christ)  absolutely taught us that sex was for procreation only. I'm not sure that timed abstinence was ever brought up, but if you weren't trying to make more Catholics, it was a no go. She also taught us Mary and Joseph remained virgins their whole marriage.  Lolzwat?

Talk about backwards sex ed. Who needs elderly virgins telling you when to fuck? So while most Catholics don't follow what the Church is preaching,  Conservative Catholics definitely belive that. Timed abstinence, I had religious Catholic neighbors in College, they told me they used that. They also were in their 20s and had 5 kids.  They were exactly religious conservatives either.

Most people are Atheist forums talk as though the Church is something with uniform beliefs, but it's a massive number of people, and there are branches of Catholicism that disagree with each other, on a wider scale and down to individual parishes. So I sort of take issue with it when people say that Catholics do or say this. Or when you sometimes do the same thing. Most Catholics just use birth control, condoms and the pill and 84 % have no moral objection to birth control.  The bunch of creepy old virgins at the head of the Vatican can say what they want, but people are going to use birth control.

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Meaningless when the country slips into recession, of course.  And when the republicunts start fucking with Medicare to pay for these tax cuts for rich cocksuckers it will be a net loss.

Let's see the Dems run on a platform of repealing the corporate breaks.

Lol, Min gets the biggest Tax cut of atheist forums! 1%er !!!

Yes, but not the top .1 of the 1% ers.  That's who gets paid off by these republicunt cocksuckers.

I can only assume that you are easily conned, Cap'n!

[CapnAwesome]

Lol, okay old, rich white guy!

[ignoramus]

About 4 times a week

Wipe that avatar smile off your screen; if it's not for procreation, then you're in mortal sin!

Give her a break...
A gal also needs to practice!

[Catholic_Lady]

Oh my goodness, agreeing to have sex with your spouse even though we're not really feeling it at the moment isn't marital rape!   
Obviously marital rape is bad.

Though you are correct about the second part. Catholics use timed abstinence during the fertile time of the month as birth control when trying to avoid pregnancy. You don't have to be trying to have a baby every time you have sex. That's just Jehanne spreading more ignorance and misinformation about Catholicism.

Most Catholics just use regular birth control, of course. At the same rate as the rest of the population. https://thinkprogress.org/birth-control-...-it-anyway

I was raised Catholic in a very conservative perish, and our CCD teacher (who was 60 and an annunciated virgin to Christ) absolutely taught us that sex was for procreation only. I'm not sure that timed abstinence was ever brought up, but if you weren't trying to make more Catholics, it was a no go. She also taught us Mary and Joseph remained virgins their whole marriage. Lolzwat?

Talk about backwards sex ed. Who needs elderly virgins telling you when to fuck? So while most Catholics don't follow what the Church is preaching, Conservative Catholics definitely belive that. Timed abstinence, I had religious Catholic neighbors in College, they told me they used that. They also were in their 20s and had 5 kids. They were exactly religious conservatives either.

Most people are Atheist forums talk as though the Church is something with uniform beliefs, but it's a massive number of people, and there are branches of Catholicism that disagree with each other, on a wider scale and down to individual parishes. So I sort of take issue with it when people say that Catholics do or say this. Or when you sometimes do the same thing. Most Catholics just use birth control, condoms and the pill and 84 % have no moral objection to birth control. The bunch of creepy old virgins at the head of the Vatican can say what they want, but people are going to use birth control.

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Meaningless when the country slips into recession, of course.  And when the republicunts start fucking with Medicare to pay for these tax cuts for rich cocksuckers it will be a net loss.

Let's see the Dems run on a platform of repealing the corporate breaks.

Lol, Min gets the biggest Tax cut of atheist forums! 1%er !!!

My bold.

Sounds like your CCD teacher was making up her own rules then, because thats just not true at all. NFP (natural family planning/timed abstinence) is huge in the Church for couples who want to avoid pregnancy. It was actually part of our mandatory pre marriage prep.

As for Catholic people believing different things, I mean, sure... many do. But official Catholic teaching is laid out all very clearly in the CCC. If someone believes something different (like that sex is a sin unless yoire trying to make babies) that's their own rules, not official church teaching. Ive never known anyone who thinks that, but I dont doubt that they exist in the fringes.

(Edited to add)

[Rev. Rye]

Oh my goodness, agreeing to have sex with your spouse even though we're not really feeling it at the moment isn't marital rape!   
Obviously marital rape is bad.

Though you are correct about the second part. Catholics use timed abstinence during the fertile time of the month as birth control when trying to avoid pregnancy. You don't have to be trying to have a baby every time you have sex. That's just Jehanne spreading more ignorance and misinformation about Catholicism.

I suppose so, though I know there are some schools of feminist thought that could consider the "Not now" "Please, honey?" "Okay" scenario to count as rape. (Hopefully, that's as far as it goes for you.) I really don't think so (I honestly think it feels like it trivialises rape somewhat; I can remember one rape survivor saying about such a scenario "If is rape, then you'd have to invent a whole new word for what happened to me."), but I know that some do. 

Yeah, I am well aware that many atheists tend to exaggerate Catholic doctrine or at least post their admittedly extreme experiences and work under the assumption that it's standard operating procedure. Honestly, I don't think you even need to exaggerate the official beliefs to point out the dubiousness: the Church's position against birth control is not one I agree on, partly because the human population appears to be already growing faster than we can create the resources for them to use (food and water very likely, oil and other such energy resources definitely, and I strongly suspect that people outnumbering the jobs they can take in our poor economy might also be an example), a position that I admit seems to have been formed in good faith is astonishingly easy to abuse, and it's led to an astonishing amount of suffering, not the least of which involves the RCC refusing to allow condom use even as a means of slowing down the spread of AIDS (even though a loophole in Humanae vitae that allows the use of female birth control pills for non-contraceptive uses should theoretically mean they're okay to keep people from infecting others with HIV.)

[Jehanne]

As for Catholic people believing different things, I mean, sure... many do. But official Catholic teaching is laid out all very clearly in the CCC. If someone believes something different (like that sex is a sin unless yoire trying to make babies) that's their own rules, not official church teaching. Ive never known anyone who thinks that, but I dont doubt that they exist in the fringes.

(Edited to add)

Francis has abandoned the Catechism:

1650 Today there are numerous Catholics in many countries who have recourse to civil divorce and contract new civil unions. In fidelity to the words of Jesus Christ - "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery" 160 the Church maintains that a new union cannot be recognized as valid, if the first marriage was. If the divorced are remarried civilly, they find themselves in a situation that objectively contravenes God's law. Consequently, they cannot receive Eucharistic communion as long as this situation persists. For the same reason, they cannot exercise certain ecclesial responsibilities. Reconciliation through the sacrament of Penance can be granted only to those who have repented for having violated the sign of the covenant and of fidelity to Christ, and who are committed to living in complete continence.

1665 The remarriage of persons divorced from a living, lawful spouse contravenes the plan and law of God as taught by Christ. They are not separated from the Church, but they cannot receive Eucharistic communion. They will lead Christian lives especially by educating their children in the faith.

Ooops.

[CapnAwesome]

Most Catholics just use regular birth control, of course. At the same rate as the rest of the population. https://thinkprogress.org/birth-control-...-it-anyway

I was raised Catholic in a very conservative perish, and our CCD teacher (who was 60 and an annunciated virgin to Christ) absolutely taught us that sex was for procreation only. I'm not sure that timed abstinence was ever brought up, but if you weren't trying to make more Catholics, it was a no go. She also taught us Mary and Joseph remained virgins their whole marriage. Lolzwat?

Talk about backwards sex ed. Who needs elderly virgins telling you when to fuck? So while most Catholics don't follow what the Church is preaching, Conservative Catholics definitely belive that. Timed abstinence, I had religious Catholic neighbors in College, they told me they used that. They also were in their 20s and had 5 kids. They were exactly religious conservatives either.

Most people are Atheist forums talk as though the Church is something with uniform beliefs, but it's a massive number of people, and there are branches of Catholicism that disagree with each other, on a wider scale and down to individual parishes. So I sort of take issue with it when people say that Catholics do or say this. Or when you sometimes do the same thing. Most Catholics just use birth control, condoms and the pill and 84 % have no moral objection to birth control. The bunch of creepy old virgins at the head of the Vatican can say what they want, but people are going to use birth control.

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Lol, Min gets the biggest Tax cut of atheist forums! 1%er !!!

My bold.

Sounds like your CCD teacher was making up her own rules then, because thats just not true at all. NFP (natural family planning/timed abstinence) is huge in the Church for couples who want to avoid pregnancy. It was actually part of our mandatory pre marriage prep.

As for Catholic people believing different things, I mean, sure... many do. But official Catholic teaching is laid out all very clearly in the CCC. If someone believes something different (like that sex is a sin unless yoire trying to make babies) that's their own rules, not official church teaching. Ive never known anyone who thinks that, but I dont doubt that they exist in the fringes.

(Edited to add)

They do exist. Because that is literally what i was taught as a Catholic. It could be she was going off her own curriculum, she had a lot of wacky beliefs, but she existed and taught every catholic child in my parish that. Its not an uncommon belief at all amoung conservative Catholics. It could be that your parish is just more liberal, I don't really know. We were only one step from having a latin mass. So these beliefs definitely exist. Thw vatican, believe it or not, doesn't magically control every minutia of every parish. I know, because its what I wad taught. Then later learned about the natural family planning, which as I said, couple with 5 children told me.

But the point is, as an atheist now examining this it all just seems so silly. Irregardless of whether its strict about sex for procreation or not. This is a sexual system crafted by elderly virgins. And in hindsight of course its going to be ridiculous. I would never let elderly virgins tell me when to fuck. Natural pregnancy cycle or not. Ill just use birth control and fuck when I want to.

Luckily most Catholics agree with me, and morally approve and use birth control at the same rate as the rest of the population. So it really actually doesn't matter in the slightest what the Vatican says, not even to Catholics.

[Catholic_Lady]

My bold.

Sounds like your CCD teacher was making up her own rules then, because thats just not true at all. NFP (natural family planning/timed abstinence) is huge in the Church for couples who want to avoid pregnancy. It was actually part of our mandatory pre marriage prep.

As for Catholic people believing different things, I mean, sure... many do. But official Catholic teaching is laid out all very clearly in the CCC. If someone believes something different (like that sex is a sin unless yoire trying to make babies) that's their own rules, not official church teaching. Ive never known anyone who thinks that, but I dont doubt that they exist in the fringes.

(Edited to add)

They do exist. Because that is literally what i was taught as a Catholic. It could be she was going off her own curriculum, she had a lot of wacky beliefs, but she existed and taught every catholic child in my parish that. Its not an uncommon belief at all amoung conservative Catholics. It could be that your parish is just more liberal, I don't really know. We were only one step from having a latin mass. So these beliefs definitely exist. Thw vatican, believe it or not, doesn't magically control every minutia of every parish. I know, because its what I wad taught. Then later learned about the natural family planning, which as I said, couple with 5 children told me.

But the point is, as an atheist now examining this it all just seems so silly. Irregardless of whether its strict about sex for procreation or not. This is a sexual system crafted by elderly virgins. And in hindsight of course its going to be ridiculous. I would never let elderly virgins tell me when to fuck. Natural pregnancy cycle or not. Ill just use birth control and fuck when I want to.

Luckily most Catholics agree with me, and morally approve and use birth control at the same rate as the rest of the population. So it really actually doesn't matter in the slightest what the Vatican says, not even to Catholics.

Hmm, interesting.

Ive been part of several parishes, went to Catholic school, was in a youth group, and used to be really active on a Catholic forum... and have never come across that sentiment (that non baby making sex is a sin) in my life. Parishes don't make catholic rules. They are on the CCC, and nowhere in there does it say that sex is only moral when you're trying for a baby lol. Thats ridiculous. If so, then NFP wouldn't be widely known and promoted by the Church.

The only subgroup of Catholics that I've ever heard of to be extra strict about sex are the SSPX, who aren't even recognized by the Church because they deviate so much from the mainstream. They have their own special mass and everything. And even they dont claim sex is sinful unless you're trying for a baby. They're just super uptight about modesty and don't like Vatican II.

Im not sure who this lady was or where you were being taught, but she sounds like a real nut job. Let me assure you her claim that sex is sinful unless trying for a baby in no way represents Church teaching on sexual morality. I hate it when people spread misinformation about church teaching, especially if it's something as ridiculous as that.

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Oh my goodness, agreeing to have sex with your spouse even though we're not really feeling it at the moment isn't marital rape!   
Obviously marital rape is bad.

Though you are correct about the second part. Catholics use timed abstinence during the fertile time of the month as birth control when trying to avoid pregnancy. You don't have to be trying to have a baby every time you have sex. That's just Jehanne spreading more ignorance and misinformation about Catholicism.

I suppose so, though I know there are some schools of feminist thought that could consider the "Not now" "Please, honey?" "Okay" scenario to count as rape. (Hopefully, that's as far as it goes for you.) I really don't think so (I honestly think it feels like it trivialises rape somewhat; I can remember one rape survivor saying about such a scenario "If is rape, then you'd have to invent a whole new word for what happened to me."), but I know that some do. 

What do you mean by "hopefully that's as far as it goes for you?"

As for those feminists, they're doing rape victims no favors by tossing the word around like that. I wonder if they'd feel the same way the other way around? Wife wants sex, husband says not now, she says please, and then he agrees. Did she just rape him? Lol.

People assume that it's always the men who want more sex, but that isn't the case at all. Incidentally, I was just texting with my friend earlier this week and she was bitching about how her husband never has sex with her. She has to beg for it.

Yeah, he's a real winner.

[Rev. Rye]

I meant that I hope your husband’s never reacted to “not in the mood” by doing anything worse than begging you until you say “okay.” Hopefully, he’s never resorted to physical force on you (nor you him).

[Joods]

About 4 times a week

Your husband is a lucky man.

That's about a months worth for me.

At least you all are getting some. I do believe I qualify to be a virgin again since I haven't had any in nearly two years.