Norway Says "No Thanks."

[CapnAwesome]

So is Mississippi.

I haven't been to Haiti, but I did date a girl who had been there. She said she heard gunfire every night and needed body guards to go most places. I have been to Mississippi, and mostly it's fine. Doesn't compare to the third world, which I've also lived in, not even close. There are depressing welfare towns in the South that are shitholes. Or many inner cities.

But there are definitely places in the U.S. that are shitholes. The reason Norway doesn't have them is their Draconian immigration policy! The immigrant ghettos in France or Spain are definite shitholes.

[The Grand Nudger]

Norwayophiles are the weirdest people, who have no idea the downsides to Norway, aside from the obviously horrendous weather. Also the idea that it's fine for Norwegians to call the US a shithole but not okay to call a shithole like Haiti a shithole is fucking insane.

It -is- fine for norwegians to call the US a shithole, and for americans to call haiti a shithole.  It's not fine..when your nations cheif diplomat is the one doing it.  This would be a problem even if it weren't indicative of the deep racist well at the bottom of the husk that sits in the oval. Surely we can recognize this as a problem, lol.  Other racist dirtbag presidents managed to maintain the dignity of their office if only so that it could be effective.

It's the presidents job -not- to say stupid shit like that...even when it's true.

[CapnAwesome]

Norwayophiles are the weirdest people, who have no idea the downsides to Norway, aside from the obviously horrendous weather. Also the idea that it's fine for Norwegians to call the US a shithole but not okay to call a shithole like Haiti a shithole is fucking insane.

It -is- fine for norwegians to call the US a shithole, and for americans to call haiti a shithole.  It's not fine..when your nations cheif diplomat is the one doing it.  This would be a problem even if it weren't indicative of the deep racist well at the bottom of the husk that sits in the oval. Surely we can recognize this as a problem, lol.  Other racist dirtbag presidents managed to maintain the dignity of their office if only so that it could be effective.

It's the presidents job -not- to say stupid shit like that...even when it's true.

I don't think calling a shithole country a shithole is a sign of racism. But liberals see everything Trump does as a sign of racism. I don't like Trump anymore than you guys, but I don't really see why the president is obliged to lie about the shitholiness of Haiti.

It's funny because when Trump lies (all the time) you guys jump on him and when he tells the truth it's pretty much the same reaction.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's not always..but no one said it was.  In trumps case, ofc, his shithole comment was explicitly directed at haitians in reference to killing daca if it included haitians..and we know he doesn't like haitians, lol.  Part of an older and well established pattern of racist behavior, and..again..if you just can;t be bothered to care about the white supremacist in office...a plain old job fail.

Most of us would be fired from our jobs if we showed a fraction of the incompetence exhibited by POTUS.

But hey, tell me more about the liberals........... 

[CapnAwesome]

It's not always..but no one said it was.  In trumps case, ofc, his shithole comment was explicitly directed at haitians in reference to killing daca if it included haitians..and we know he doesn't like haitians, lol. Part of an older and well established pattern of racist behavior.

That's the thing, really people use circular logic to enforce their own beliefs here. Oh when I say some place is a shithole it's not racist, but it makes Trump a racist because he's a known racist.

It's not a very convincing argument to those who don't already believe he's a racist.

Calling shitholes shitholes is either racist or it's not.

[Crossless2.0]

It -is- fine for norwegians to call the US a shithole, and for americans to call haiti a shithole.  It's not fine..when your nations cheif diplomat is the one doing it.  This would be a problem even if it weren't indicative of the deep racist well at the bottom of the husk that sits in the oval.  Surely we can recognize this as a problem, lol.  Other racist dirtbag presidents managed to maintain the dignity of their office if only so that it could be effective.  

It's the presidents job -not- to say stupid shit like that...even when it's true.

I don't think calling a shithole country a shithole is a sign of racism. But liberals see everything Trump does as a sign of racism. I don't like Trump anymore than you guys, but I don't really see why the president is obliged to lie about the shitholiness of Haiti.

It's funny because when Trump lies (all the time) you guys jump on him and when he tells the truth it's pretty much the same reaction.

Fine. Let's grant the proposition that Trump isn't really a racist. What's that leave us? A President so fucking stupid that he thinks it's OK to say something this moronic in a meeting with lawmakers, knowing (as he should, by now) that his remarks will leak?

Is that Presidential? Is it shrewd? Is it good political strategy or diplomacy?

Or is it stupid, Otto?

[The Grand Nudger]

That's the thing, really people use circular logic to enforce their own beliefs here. Oh when I say some place is a shithole it's not racist, but it makes Trump a racist because he's a known racist.

Who said that his recent comments were what made him racist?  Who in the world?  He was a racist long before he ever scammed his way to the whitehouse.  

It's not a very convincing argument to those who don't already believe he's a racist.

Conveniently, Trump doesn't need you or anyone else to believe he's a racist to be a racist.  Thats the one thing he seems to be able to do all by his onesies.  But, again, ignore his long standing and blatant racism..because liberals (lol), it's a job fail.

[Autumnlicious]

African Union demands an apology, South Africa files a formal complaint...

The victims of Trump's word vomit are obvious yet CaptainAwesome (lol) et al are spending their wad on saying it's "not really racist"?

Dude, the President just damaged Africom anti terrorism efforts, damaged diplomatic relations with an entire continent and you want to argue it's "not really racist"?

Motherfucker, United States interests and relationships have been damaged! Who the fuck cares if Trump in his heart of hearts is or is not racist. He just fucked up foreign policy.

You have to be a traitorous ideologue to treat our relationship losses and fallout with foreign powers like trolling the local liberals.

Obama wouldn't have done anything like this shitparty.

[RoadRunner79]

African Union demands an apology, South Africa files a formal complaint...

The victims of Trump's word vomit are obvious yet CaptainAwesome (lol) et al are spending their wad on saying it's "not really racist"?

Dude, the President just damaged Africom anti terrorism efforts, damaged diplomatic relations with an entire continent and you want to argue it's "not really racist"?

Motherfucker, United States interests and relationships have been damaged! Who the fuck cares if Trump in his heart of hearts is or is not racist. He just fucked up foreign policy.

You have to be a traitorous ideologue to treat our relationship losses and fallout with foreign powers like trolling the local liberals.

Obama wouldn't have done anything like this shitparty.

While I had heard about it, I hadn't really kept up with this story. 

I agree with much of what you say, and agree with those who advocate that someone in that position needs to be smarter and more careful about what they say (not one of Trump's strong suites). I was trying to look up exactly what was said, and in what context, when I realized, that there wasn't any recording or text. It was quotes from a closed door meeting of lawmakers.

I agree,that the issue is not, if he was being racist or even what was really be referred to. You can't say things like that; when you in that kind of position. And I would think that this would apply even more so, to those who brought this out of the close door meeting and into the public. Your statement seems to apply "You have to be a traitorous ideologue to treat our relationship losses and fallout with foreign powers like trolling the local liberals. " I would think that anyone in a lawmakers closed door meeting about policies should also be fully aware of this as well. I think that it's wrong to put this all on Trump.

[Jackalope]

I agree with much of what you say, and agree with those who advocate that someone in that position needs to be smarter and more careful about what they say (not one of Trump's strong suites).   I was trying to look up exactly what was said, and in what context, when I realized, that there wasn't any recording or text.  It was quotes from a closed door meeting of lawmakers.  

(emphasis added)

...as reported by Dick Durbin (D) and confirmed by LIndsey Graham ®.

When two tenured, prominent, respected members of congress from opposite sides of the aisle agree to the substance of comments made in a closed-door meeting, I see no reason to cast reasonable doubt on the substance of those comments.