Rebellion against god

[Banned]

Why in the world would you assume that a deity that showed up would call itself YHWH or Jehovah or Elohim or Jesus or Lucifer or Beelzebub? It's equally likely that it would call itself Ra, or Odin, or Zeus, or Brahma, or Ahura-Mazda, or Osiris, or Mithras, or KwanYin . . . (you know a female deity showing up could be lots of fun) . . . I mean, thousands of imaginary super-friends have been made up over thousands of years.  "Hi, I'm Shiva!!  Yes, you noticed that I'm blue, isn't that cool?  Hi, I'm Brainiac 5, here to solve all of your problems! One fantasy creature is just as likely as any other.

I agree, it doesn't matter who or what turns up, if there are no specific identifying traits, how could people tell if it was the God of the Bible or not.

Given these factors, it is reasonable to say that a show doesn't guarantee knowing the truth, agree?

[Amarok]

I agree, it doesn't matter who or what turns up, if there are no specific identifying traits, how could people tell if it was the God of the Bible or not.

Given these factors, it is reasonable to say that a show doesn't guarantee knowing the truth, agree?

I already answered that .

[Banned]

o if God put on a show - how would anyone be able to tell if it is actually God and not another power, like Satan who was the most powerful angel, and still has sufficient capacity to put on a show (which he will be allowed to do pretty soon)?

If god were really god you would know his perfection and  goodness  would radiate like suns rays.  And warm men to him like the sun warms flesh. And as the suns light melts snow as any doubt would be melted away. But this light could not be shaded no shadow no  hole not even depths of the earth could block this light. If god showed up . A real good perfect benevolent god then you would feel him . And like a man sitting by a warm hearth after a long day in the snow you would be love and embrace it.

If Satan showed pure evil pure malice pure hate .You would know his malevolence it would bite and sting like the coldest frost. It would cause men to flee from it seeking warmth .  It would cause men to shield and reject it's mere  presence. It would not lure men to icy death . But cause them to insulate themselves . And no heart no matter how dark could stand this cold this chill and they would plea for warmth . And then a good perfect benevolent god like the sun in spring would provide .

I know what you are saying, that what you see is is what you get, goodness would be appealing and evil obviously not.
But from the very beginning, the whole drama with the conflict between good and evil was that evil hid itself under the image of being righteous, warm, beautiful and perfect, etc.. I'm pretty sure you know that getting charmed doesn't prove the truth.

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He (Karesh) is/was the product of your sect/schisms teachings. You need to own that. 

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No, he disregarded SDA teachings, in the aspect of fanaticism, just to start with.
It is typical of strays to slip away very gradually - unknown to themselves and others.
I don't know the full story of David K, but it wouldn't be the first time an SDA went off the rails. Take Harvey Kellog for example.

[Astreja]

I agree, it doesn't matter who or what turns up, if there are no specific identifying traits, how could people tell if it was the God of the Bible or not.

Even with specific identifying traits, I think it's impossible to know if any being actually is a god, or just a god-like being playing at being a god.  This is why I'm a strong agnostic:  I don't see any way for us to see beyond outward appearances to find out what something "really" is, and in fact a god-like being might not be capable of knowing its own true nature.

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Sufficient physical armour and power to neutralize the attack.  Perhaps a force field that reflects all of the attack back on the attacker.

Does the victim (no longer a victim thanks to an equalizing force field) have control over this, or is it automatic, like an animal's response?

Automatic, to prevent backstabbing and other stealth attacks.  The individual would have to consciously override the feature, although it's hard to conceive of a situation for which they would want to expose themselves to harm.

[Amarok]

I know what you are saying, that what you see is is what you get, goodness would be appealing and evil obviously not. 

But from the very beginning, the whole drama with the conflict between good and evil was that evil hid itself under the image of being righteous, warm, beautiful and perfect, etc.. I'm pretty sure you know that getting charmed doesn't prove the truth.

Pure evil can no more disguise itself as good . Then absolute heat could disguise itself as absolute zero . Anymore then pure blackness could pass itself off as pure white . Anymore the shadow could pass itself off as the sun . And mean could love pure evil because there is nothing to love . And mean could only love perfect  good because their would be nothing one could hate. And if pure evil came it would appear as obvious as a black spot on a pure white canvas . and no magic charm or deception could mask perfect evil . Nor could any such magic prevent one from gravitating towards perfect good . Because every reason to love and follow good would come with it revealing. And every reason to wholly reject evil would come with it's appearance .

[Cyberman]

That's fine, as long as you can accept the correction. It took me literally ten seconds to fact check, but I did have the head start of knowing it was untrue to begin with. By the way, it's not "modern versions of the etymology that changed the idea"; it's just etymology. Note that the paragraph I quoted is dated 1902.

Cyberman, where you get strength to post so often. I feel like responding to theists is pointless. You want to eradicate religion slowly by educating people online?

Religion? Not necessarily (if only it was that easy). Rather, try in my own small way to stem the haemorrhage of false information.

As for where the strength originates; I am not encumbered by puny human weaknesses. I am Cyberman.

[Cyberman]

Given these factors, it is reasonable to say that a show doesn't guarantee knowing the truth, agree?

Which is the more convincing - the god that shows up with the potential to be falsified, or the god that never shows up and it's everyone else's fault?

[Little Rik]

Ok. then.  

You teach me English and I teach you how this universe works.  

Deal?  

You are offering a miserable life run by fear of magical torture. You can't be that stupid to don't see that people are disgusted by your offer long ago on this site.

I also would be disgusted if someone show me that I am wrong again and again.

The stark reality PP is that I knocked down all atheists dogmas (so called truth void of any evidence) one by one and atheists do not like that of course but i am fair with all.
As you can see I also knock down religious dogmas.
To me it doesn't really matter who go around spouting dogmas.
When I see them I am bound to intervene even if that attract disgust from those who spout these dogmas.  

Here is a short list of atheists dogmas.

When we die is all over.
The consciousness is a product of the brain.
There is no God therefore God did not create or run the universe.
The consciousness that we got come from an evolutionary cycle thanks to previous generations.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I don't know the insides of that story, whether he was set up to look cultish, or if he was just as the media presented. If that is the case he was certainly off the rails from Adventism, not unlike the many offshoots like the JW's.

I understand that your comment was intended to deal contempt, but I already know who holds you in bondage, while you think you are free.

You mean Satan? If yes, Satan in Job verses is presented as servant of God.

WAY off topic for PP:  No, I didn't.  Bailed 2 seconds in.

Boru

[purplepurpose]

You mean Satan? If yes, Satan in Job verses is presented as servant of God.

WAY off topic for PP:  No, I didn't.  Bailed 2 seconds in.

Boru

"Anything worth having doesn’t come easy". Don't give up.