Rebellion against god

[Banned]

Yep, it makes God sick and he hates the whole scenario, evil doers will be free to run the whole course, and there will be a point when enough is enough.
Evil doers cannot be left to go on forever, suffering has to end.

If it makes your god so sick, then why did he create it to begin with?

This is why religions make no sense. With all of the inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the Bible, I'm really surprised that people still fall for its schtick. No one really thought the god story through but there's a sucker born every minute so they say.

You don't know enough of the Bible or God, to make such remarks. Don't leave it there, dig for the truth - really check it out.

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Yep, it makes God sick and he hates the whole scenario, evil doers will be free to run the whole course, and there will be a point when enough is enough.

Evil doers cannot be left to go on forever, suffering has to end.

Perfect good can't hate anyone hate is the reserve of evil . If a perfectly  good being existed he would not need to punish he would not seek retribution . As i have said . If perfect good appeared their would be no evil doers and no suffering for anyone even the guilty . All wounds would fade. All hatred would die. And everyone from the evilest person to the most righteous would join hands and love cure all . You god sounds more like a demon then a perfect good .

Millions agree with you. They can't all be wrong...so they reason.

[Cyberman]

Which is the more convincing - the god that shows up with the potential to be falsified, or the god that never shows up and it's everyone else's fault?

What about the God who used to be around, but was betrayed by those who were supposed to be loyal?
What reality did Cain choose when he killed his brother Able?
Was Cain entitled to have a view? Yes.
Was the murderer given protection from God, from revenge killings?
Strangely yes. That is strange. What was God thinking? Or was Cain to be given a complete chance to repent?
Or was it a punishment by making him live with his hideous past?

The same issues came up when Lucifer started a rebellion in heaven. God spared him.

Stories about gods =/= gods.

[Joods]

If it makes your god so sick,  then why did he create it to begin with?

This is why religions make no sense.  With all of the inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the Bible, I'm really surprised that people still fall for its schtick. No one really thought the god story through but there's a sucker born every minute so they say.

You don't know enough of the Bible or God, to make such remarks. Don't leave it there, dig for the truth - really check it out.

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Excuse me? Have you walked in my shoes? Lived my life or been through my personal version of hell? No, you haven't. You don't get to tell me what remarks I can make. I absolutely have the right to question that which does not make sense and there is nothing about religion that makes any sense because your god story is filled with loads of bullshit. 

Nice dodge on answering my question though. Typical that you along with other theists who can't answer it, would prefer to attack me instead. Your imaginary god must be so proud of you.

[Banned]

You don't know enough of the Bible or God, to make such remarks. Don't leave it there, dig for the truth - really check it out.

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Excuse me? Have you walked in my shoes? Lived my life or been through my personal version of hell? No, you haven't. You don't get to tell me what remarks I can make. I absolutely have the right to question that which does not make sense and there is nothing about religion that makes any sense because your god story is filled with loads of bullshit. 

Nice dodge on answering my question though. Typical that you along with other theists who can't answer it, would prefer to attack me instead. Your imaginary god must be so proud of you.

I wasn't dismissing your life at all. But it is very plain from your comment that you don't have the right knowledge of the scriptures - which don't condemn you at all.

As to the question about why God created something which he knew would go west, I don't know the answer to that.
But I know that by making creatures capable of intelligent love, and a relationship which has the potential to develop with time, God was putting the whole creation at risk, especially since he made the universe to be consequential in every aspect.

What that means, is that everything from the actual materials to all intelligent life - has a full range of options in behavior, but at the same time, everything has preferences and points of attraction - the path of least resistance.

While nature follows the paths of least resistance - intelligent life, capable of love - must be able to choose against that stream, and must be in a position to have absolute freedom - the ability to not to love.

Love is not love, if there is manipulation involved - because manipulation - no matter how wonderful the experience may be - is coercion and not love.

Faith starts with nothing, but it is the only thing humans have to begin to love God.
Candy, miracles and light shows don't do it.

If the universe was made any different, it would be a game and not reality. And therefore it could only have been made once, the here and now, to be truly authentic.
If God pressed the reset button at anytime- his creation would be contrived and not pure reality.
What is more, the universe was made to be related to by God, it was made to respond to him, with or without his interaction or works. So the universe has an independence from God - an economy which runs on its own.

We could discuss how that works another time.

But the factors above, tell us that God has to deal with us and our live as they occur, and not by the codes of a fantasy or an ideal which has nothing to do with our reality.

That is why the offering of Cain - with glitz and fruit, was not acceptable to God, because it represented human idealism and not the reality of a broken love relationship with God, and the offering that God (his own demise and death) would make for the world to give it a second chance and a new life.

[Astreja]

I wasn't dismissing your life at all. But it is very plain from your comment that you don't have the right knowledge of the scriptures - which don't condemn you at all.

Why should we believe you?  Who's to say there even is a "right knowledge of the scriptures"?

Love is not love, if there is manipulation involved - because manipulation - no matter how wonderful the experience may be - is coercion and not love.

This ^^^ is why I can never become a Christian. Threats of eternal torture or of annihilation are manipulative.  Guilt-tripping to get someone to accept Jesus is also manipulative.  Telling someone that they're a sinner and incapable of fixing their own mistakes is manipulative.

Faith starts with nothing, but it is the only thing humans have to begin to love God.

And for me, faith is a neurological impossibility.

[Banned]

Why should we believe you?  Who's to say there even is a "right knowledge of the scriptures"?

This ^^^ is why I can never become a Christian. Threats of eternal torture or of annihilation are manipulative.  Guilt-tripping to get someone to accept Jesus is also manipulative.  Telling someone that they're a sinner and incapable of fixing their own mistakes is manipulative.

And for me, faith is a neurological impossibility.

The right understanding of the scriptures has to be based on correct English reading and comprehension. I don't know if the world is changing or that people are losing their reading skills. People read into it what they want to I guess.

Eternal torture is a lie, and if we are talking about annihilation - we are caught up in a world of death anyway, so we can't blame the Bible for that.

Guilt tripping coupled with sensationalism is the formula of the church pill. It numbs the brain and warms the pews.
But people still suffer from guilt regardless of their upbringing, and I am not certain whether that is from religious influences.

Religion has always been in the world, it seems to be part of human nature. Some people believe that religion is a thing of the past and will be outgrown by the modern man.

Being a sinner makes it impossible to fix some things, but there is a large class of Christians who believe that they cannot fix anything, and that it is impossible to overcome their errors - which is nonsense of course.

And faith being a neurological impossibility ? I wouldn't have a clue.

Before Lucifer rebelled, he lived by faith in God. The majority of the angels still do.

[Mr.Obvious]

Why should we believe you?  Who's to say there even is a "right knowledge of the scriptures"?

This ^^^ is why I can never become a Christian. Threats of eternal torture or of annihilation are manipulative.  Guilt-tripping to get someone to accept Jesus is also manipulative.  Telling someone that they're a sinner and incapable of fixing their own mistakes is manipulative.

And for me, faith is a neurological impossibility.

The right understanding of the scriptures has to be based on correct English reading and comprehension.

Because The scriptures were written in modern day english?

[Abaddon_ire]

The right understanding of the scriptures has to be based on correct English reading and comprehension.

Rubbish. It wasn't written in English. Any English version is many times rewritten, translated and edited by countless scribes after the original. Next you will tell us that jesus was white, LOL.

I don't know if the world is changing or that people are losing their reading skills. People read into it what they want to I guess.

People have been doing that ever since there were scriptures of any sort. It is hardly a new phenomenon. In fact, you are doing it right now with your amusing claim that your interpretation is correct.

Eternal torture is a lie, and if we are talking about annihilation - we are caught up in a world of death anyway, so we can't blame the Bible for that.

Sorry, but god in the bible explicitly claims responsibility and ownership of death.

Guilt tripping coupled with sensationalism is the formula of the church pill. It numbs the brain and warms the pews.

And the sky is blue. Thank you Captain Obvious.

But people still suffer from guilt regardless of their upbringing, and I am not certain whether that is from religious influences.

In part, yes, in part it is an evolved trait of a successful social animal.

Religion has always been in the world, it seems to be part of human nature.

Nope, you cannot possibly know that. Humans have been around for about 200,000 years. At most, you can make that claim for only some people for the last 10,000 years or so.

Some people believe that religion is a thing of the past and will be outgrown by the modern man.

Given the thousands of dead religions, the evidence suggests that all religions follow that trajectory. Christianity certainly is doing so. Islam is growing, but it is a younger faith. It too will die eventually.

Being a sinner makes it impossible to fix some things, but there is a large class of Christians who believe that they cannot fix anything, and that it is impossible to overcome their errors - which is nonsense of course.

There is no such thing as "sin". The concept was made up by the religious as a vector of control over their flock.

And faith being a neurological impossibility ? I wouldn't have a clue.

Well, if that demonstrates your reading comprehension, then nobody should place any credibility in your bible pronouncements.

Before Lucifer rebelled, he lived by faith in God. The majority of the angels still do.

No such thing as Lucifer to rebel.

[Astreja]

The right understanding of the scriptures has to be based on correct English reading and comprehension.

And "I do not believe that people can actually come back from the dead" is a valid sentence in English.

And faith being a neurological impossibility ? I wouldn't have a clue.

Well, I've experienced it.  My inter-hemisphere communication in my brain is such that if one part of my mind tries to assert something that violates what I know of reality, the other half of the brain refuses to play along and refuses to suspend disbelief.  I've tried in the past to have religious faith.  It fails every time because I'm fully aware that I'm attempting to lie to myself.

I don't even try anymore, and have not tried for some years now.

[Banned]

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The right understanding of the scriptures has to be based on correct English reading and comprehension.

And "I do not believe that people can actually come back from the dead" is a valid sentence in English.
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To me this sentence says you don't believe in the resurrection, but if I were incapable of reading English or I lied, I would say that means you believe people can actually come back from the dead, or that means that you have actually seen someone come back from the dead, or worse you have been there and done it.

I don't care too much whether people believe what the Bible says, but I hate it when they make false claims about what it says.
This is going on all the time by professed believers and non believers.