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Rebellion against god
RE: Rebellion against god
(February 24, 2018 at 7:06 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Banned, is there something in your special book that says you have to go out of your way to be a cunt all the time? Have you ever considered, you know, having a proper, grown-up, civil conversation?

You verbally abuse Christians and you blaspheme the name of God.
When you abuse them, you demand that they remain non confrontational and become door mats, and you accuse them of lacking Christian graces if they stand up for the right.
The excuse for your abuse is that it is a natural consequence of your 'rationale.'

I am worried about you.

(February 25, 2018 at 7:35 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(February 25, 2018 at 6:56 am)Banned Wrote: Why would a God who made the human mind resort to a Muppet show to convince hearts which hate him?

Why would god create mind/ hearts that hate him? As if he is incapable, bad designer, not perfect being.

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(February 25, 2018 at 6:56 am)Banned Wrote: God is the source of knowledge and wisdom.

Not so according to the Bible: "For I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." 1 Corinthians 1:19

English fail, or you are just being subversive.

Can't you make up your mind? The freedom to choose is the perfect condition required to please God. Your choice, your freedom, your opportunity to figure it out.

The text is talking about those who are wise in their own eyes. Like I said, you either know that and are being subversive, or you lack reading and comprehension skills.

It's not an offense to be disadvantaged, but I don't tolerate insincerity.
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RE: Rebellion against god
(February 25, 2018 at 8:11 am)Banned Wrote: You verbally abuse Christians and you blaspheme the name of God.
Well, no. Sure, we verbally abuse your imaginary deity. He/she/it/housecat is entirely made up out of whole cloth, is not real and as described, is an abusive, genocidal, child raping, incestuous cock muncher. What is not to mock?

You, on the other hand, are a person. It seems that you have been taken in by that cock gobbler or those who claim to represent him. Shame. You are a far better person that the deity to which you adhere. You simply need to learn that.
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RE: Rebellion against god
(February 25, 2018 at 8:11 am)Banned Wrote:
(February 24, 2018 at 7:06 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Banned, is there something in your special book that says you have to go out of your way to be a cunt all the time? Have you ever considered, you know, having a proper, grown-up, civil conversation?

You verbally abuse Christians and you blaspheme the name of God.
When you abuse them, you demand that they remain non confrontational and become door mats, and you accuse them of lacking Christian graces if they stand up for the right.
The excuse for your abuse is that it is a natural consequence of your 'rationale.'

I am worried about you.

No, don't you dare throw red herrings around. In almost every post you make some kind of personal attack and insult towards the person you're addressing, for no purpose but to make yourself appear superior. You literally go out of your way to do that. It's like a compulsion with you. An analogy would be someone going into a biker bar and shouting "all bikers are intolerant and violent", then waking up in hospital and saying "see? I was right!"

You can take your 'worry' and shove it where only your priest will find it, you condescending prick.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Rebellion against god
As for your god, or any god deserving of the title, if it has any issues with anything I say or do, it can fucking come and tell me itself, and stop sending its lickspittles.

Fucking thing is so powerless it can't even take offence by itself.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Rebellion against god
(February 25, 2018 at 1:32 am)Joods Wrote:
(February 23, 2018 at 4:01 pm)Banned Wrote: I don't care too much whether people believe what the Bible says, but I hate it when they make false claims about what it says.
bold mine.
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Do you even understand how moronic that sounds? If you don't care, why are you wasting your time complaining?

And that, bear in mind, from someone who sees no problem with making false claims about what other people say and what words mean. He enjoys fucking his straw dolls too much.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Rebellion against god
Quote:The analogy says that the universe is the evidence of its Maker.
No it asserts the universe has a maker by comparing it to something it's not 


Quote:Some people can tell who the artist of a painting is, even if the signature is missing.

Yup the universe is not painting thus this is irrelevant 




Quote:But there are millions who cannot tell who paints what, and their codependent opinion does not change the truth, although, in the case of God and his creation, it certainly removes the truth beyond their ability to ever retrieve it.
the first part is true . The last is an assertion 


Quote:Just because denial is easy, doesn't make it appropriate.
Actually denial is hard . And again assertion .

Quote:The freedom to choose is the perfect condition required to please God. Your choice, your freedom, your opportunity to figure it out.
Lol rubbish

Your god punishes people for not being perfect . and imperfect that it totally his fault . Freedom is just an accuse to try and get him off the hook .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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RE: Rebellion against god
(February 25, 2018 at 6:56 am)Banned Wrote:
(February 25, 2018 at 12:31 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: People are not man-made artifacts, so your analogy as a point, is a failure.  We know when we read a book or look at a painting that these things had a creator, because we already know that human beings create these objects.  Everywhere we turn, we can see evidence that humans write books and paint paintings. There is no evidence OTOH that human beings, or any other forms of life, were designed.  When theists come here thinking they’re arguing for intelligent design, all they’re actually doing is demonstrating their fundamental misunderstanding of the scientific underpinnings that best explain the diversity of life on earth.  You’re going to have to do better than an argument from ignorance or personal incredulity.

The point of the analogy got through alright.

Intelligent design can only be appreciated by people who have allowed the Source of intelligence to bless them.

This is circular reasoning: ‘I know life is designed by a god because god told me that life is designed by him.’  This is the same fallacious reasoning as, ‘I know that the Bible is the word of god because it says so in the Bible.’  You have some work to do here.  1. Provide reason and evidence that a god exists.  2. Foster a positive case for intelligent design that doesn’t rely on misunderstanding science, or appealing to what you think seems obvious.  


Quote:God is the source of knowledge and wisdom.

Unsupported assertion. Also, you need to provide reason and evidence that he exists at all before you can make any assumptions about his attributes. Maybe god exists, but maybe he’s an idiot, and very naive.

Quote:In the case of the rebellion in heaven - intelligence was used to subvert the truth about God. Things are no different in this world.

Once you have built a strong and convincing case for god as well as intelligent design, then you can work on building a case for the existence of heaven.  I’ll wait. 😏
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Wiser words were never spoken. 
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RE: Rebellion against god
(February 25, 2018 at 8:11 am)Banned Wrote: English fail, or you are just being subversive.

Can't you make up your mind? The freedom to choose is the perfect condition required to please God. Your choice, your freedom, your opportunity to figure it out.
The only fail is that you are just another Christian that never read the Bible and you're talking from what you feel should be true because, for starters, God in the Bible states that humans don't have free will and that God already made them upfront knowing that they will go to hell (in other words he purposely made "evil" people)

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Romans 8:29-30

He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. Ephesians 1:4-5

God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12


And even if god gave people free will not to believe in him, as you claim, does that mean that you don't have free will because you believe in him? Or was he such bad creator that he is unable to make other people believe in him in spite giving them free will?

(February 25, 2018 at 8:11 am)Banned Wrote: The text is talking about those who are wise in their own eyes. Like I said, you either know that and are being subversive, or you lack reading and comprehension skills.

It's not an offense to be disadvantaged, but I don't tolerate insincerity.

No, it is actually talking against reason and thinking. Paul is repeating many times that Christians must be stupid and never think in order to be Christians: "Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is folly with God." - 1 Corinthians 3:18-19
"What hath the wise more than the fool." - Ecclesiastes 6:8
"We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ" - 1 Corinthians 4:10


This was confirmed by many religious leaders like Martin Luther who is against reason and Christianity still follows that philosophy, it's enough to look at the churches.
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Rebellion against god
(February 25, 2018 at 6:56 am)Banned Wrote:
(February 25, 2018 at 1:32 am)Joods Wrote: Here's the thing: you can't even prove any of it's true. Logic and reason recognize the bullshit in the bible. Those of us who know this, aren't afraid to put any theist to the test by requiring that they show scientific proof that the God of your precious book is true. Allow me to demonstrate: 

Please provide a detailed list of the false claims you think are being made along with your arguments for why you think those claims are false. Be sure to provide supporting proof (NOT an opinion) of your position as well so that we can discuss both sides.

You have a brain, you can read English, and you will be judged by the Bible, so what you do with it is left up to you.

Except that the supposed "original" works of your holy book weren't written in English. They were copied from copies of copies of copies of transcripts of other transcripts of other transcripts that were supposedly taken from some manuscripts that no one can prove even exist now. Furthermore, the KJV was translated to fit King Jame's narrative. It was translated to his specifications and NOT translated with any sort of accuracy. Everyone knows this. That's called using their brains and reason to call out all of the inaccuracies and bullshit that's in your holy book. 

I won't be judged by the bible or any god that you created in your mind, based on your fictional work of art. 

Nice avoidance of anything that I asked for. Dodges like this are so commonplace for theists. Clearly, you haven't brought your A game. If you have - it needs a lot of work. 

Quote:It's not anyone's duty to spoon feed minds which cannot be enlightened for the lack of personal effort.

According to your  religion, it's your job, as a christian to spread "the word". 

Quote:If you loved God, you would recognize his guidance, because the Spirit lives with you, but those who do not love God cannot know him. Why would a God who made the human mind resort to a Muppet show to convince hearts which hate him?


I am so glad I'm not brainwashed like this. I know better than to love an entity that can't be bothered to show his face and relies 100% on humans to spread his "word"- especially one who is - according to SDA - iall-seeing and all-knowing. 

Sorry - that ship sailed a long time ago and you have to be really fucking stupid to continue to blindly subscribe to something so silly as an imaginary sky daddy. 

Nice attempt, but your strawman sucks and you proved my point. When put to the test and asked to provide proof, every time, without fail - theists will resort to finding any excuse they can to avoid actually providing the requested proof. Why? Because you have no proof of anything in your bible.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand. 
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RE: Rebellion against god
(February 25, 2018 at 8:11 am)Banned Wrote: You verbally abuse Christians and you blaspheme the name of God.
When you abuse them, you demand that they remain non confrontational and become door mats, and you accuse them of lacking Christian graces if they stand up for the right.
The excuse for your abuse is that it is a natural consequence of your 'rationale.'

Why do you blaspheme all of the many thousands of gods you do not accept?

Or do you accept all of them?

Do you believe Allah? Thor? Zeus? Ra? FSM? Cthulhu? Anu? Enlil? Marduk? Cronus? Ahura Mazda? and so on. They all have their scriptures, why do you reject those? Why do you blaspheme those gods?
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