What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?

[Foxaèr]

Someone has a crush.

[rskovride]

Someone has a crush.

Wut???

[Foxaèr]

lol...

[The Grand Nudger]

um . .

LDS

I've never heard of that requirement.

  You wouldnt be the first person who misunderstood or was ignorant of the requirements of their own faith.  Catholics have been doing it for centuries.

[Drich]

Nor does it quell me from calling you a fool.
21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

In post #581, you said:  "Our planet is 3 dimensional yes, but our existence is 4. The fourth being time. without the measure time the objects defined by the measure of length width and height are frozen in place. So again yes while science can indeed well define the objects found readily in the three dimensions it has no protocol to account for what s lost to time, besides guessing"
That is an uneducated assertion/persumption. do you vet anything before you speak?
This is why I called you a fool. you speak without forethought or knowledge, and seeming don't care how stupid you come off so long as your grammar is correct.. I am not angry with you nor do I hate you. your actions/thought patterns simply qualify you to be defined by that word. To me having my facts straight are as important if not of greater importance than how I come off based on sentence structure.

That said if you had any inclination to vet anything besides what you think you already believe, you would have come across this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-dimensional_space

The crux of the arguement is here:
In 1908, Hermann Minkowski presented a paper consolidating the role of time as the Fourth dimension of spacetime, the basis for Einstein's theories of special and general relativity.

Do you understand that bit? Based on the idea that time is the 4th dimension EIN-FRIGGEN-STEIN'S Theories of special and general relativity would not exist. So again how stupid are you to argue against me with nothing more than a feeling that you are right about this?



idk who that is.

Aw, poor little preacher fundie. It's really fun to watch you freak out.  Did you stroke out yet?  Go take your meds, and don't forget the anti-psychotic ones.

It is an interesting topic of study, I'll grant you that.  I'm a huge Sagan fan, and I immediately thought of his description of a hypothetical 4th dimension - the tesseract.  Ooh, and you have led me to a really good recent article that contains one of my favorite Sagan snippets on the subject, and much more.  http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/hints-o...physicists  
Well!!  Who are you and what have you done with Dripshit?  Don't I remember posts from you that were trashing the LHC?  -- And general trashing of anything scientific?  Dripshit's response to any mention of science is usually the jerkoff emoji above.

I'm also a huge fan of Stephen Hawking. (A Brief History of Time!)  So when challenged, I searched for him. 


  

A little science-fiction oriented, but fun.  It we COULD travel through time . . . beyond our limited linear awareness . . . yep, that would be a 4th dimension.
I also like this article: https://einstein.stanford.edu/SPACETIME/spacetime2.html   It shows Minkowski's light cone diagram, which presents the concept of time in quite a different way from a simple linear measurement.  Interesting.  
I confess that my mathematical knowledge did not get to calculus, so tensor mathematics is quite beyond me. There is actually a theory that there could be as many as 10 dimensions, but that humans can only perceive four - h, l, w, t.   So I will grant you a point.  Some very qualified people refer to spacetime as a 4th dimension.  So I must thank you for urging me to take a break, and try to break away from my basic physics/geometry definitions of physical dimensions.

So now enlighten me, just how you think Minkowski space has any bearing on anything of a supernatural or spiritual nature?  For me, it only deepens my admiration for math and scientific observation, and makes the concept of the existence of any deities or any form of invisible entities more unlikely to exist.

If you remember your original position was there was Nothing scientific about the claim that time was the 4th dimension. when in fact there is a whole discipline of science dedicated to this study.

In proving this my argument is complete. Why? because my argument contends science is ever changing and by nature takes a measure of faith to believe whatever you believe about it. in this case do you believe Einstein or Carl sagen either take the same leap of faith God requires.

[He lives]

I've never heard of that requirement.

  You wouldnt be the first person who misunderstood or was ignorant of the requirements of their own faith.  Catholics have been doing it for centuries.

So you can show me where this requirement is stated?

[vorlon13]

I've never heard of that requirement.

  You wouldnt be the first person who misunderstood or was ignorant of the requirements of their own faith.  Catholics have been doing it for centuries.

Even when they know their donations are going to pay off pedophile class action lawsuits and the church won't do anything to prevent future molestations, they still KNOWINGLY pay up.

[The Grand Nudger]

OFC.  Holy Mother Church is selling what they want, so they're buying it.  It's like nike, with the kiddie sweatshops. I mean, what's the worst that could happen..the body of the faithful might demand that the church at least pay poverty wages to exploited children or adults?

Conveniently.......

[vorlon13]

[drfuzzy]

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Aw, poor little preacher fundie. It's really fun to watch you freak out.  Did you stroke out yet?  Go take your meds, and don't forget the anti-psychotic ones.

It is an interesting topic of study, I'll grant you that.  I'm a huge Sagan fan, and I immediately thought of his description of a hypothetical 4th dimension - the tesseract.  Ooh, and you have led me to a really good recent article that contains one of my favorite Sagan snippets on the subject, and much more.  http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/hints-o...physicists  
Well!!  Who are you and what have you done with Dripshit?  Don't I remember posts from you that were trashing the LHC?  -- And general trashing of anything scientific?  Dripshit's response to any mention of science is usually the jerkoff emoji above.

I'm also a huge fan of Stephen Hawking. (A Brief History of Time!)  So when challenged, I searched for him. 


  

A little science-fiction oriented, but fun.  It we COULD travel through time . . . beyond our limited linear awareness . . . yep, that would be a 4th dimension.
I also like this article: https://einstein.stanford.edu/SPACETIME/spacetime2.html   It shows Minkowski's light cone diagram, which presents the concept of time in quite a different way from a simple linear measurement.  Interesting.  
I confess that my mathematical knowledge did not get to calculus, so tensor mathematics is quite beyond me. There is actually a theory that there could be as many as 10 dimensions, but that humans can only perceive four - h, l, w, t.   So I will grant you a point.  Some very qualified people refer to spacetime as a 4th dimension.  So I must thank you for urging me to take a break, and try to break away from my basic physics/geometry definitions of physical dimensions.

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So now enlighten me, just how you think Minkowski space has any bearing on anything of a supernatural or spiritual nature?  For me, it only deepens my admiration for math and scientific observation, and makes the concept of the existence of any deities or any form of invisible entities more unlikely to exist.

If you remember your original position was there was Nothing scientific about the claim that time was the 4th dimension. when in fact there is a whole discipline of science dedicated to this study.

In proving this my argument is complete. Why? because my argument contends science is ever changing and by nature takes a measure of faith to believe whatever you believe about it. in this case do you believe Einstein or Carl sagen either take the same leap of faith God requires.

I posted that time was NOT considered a 4th dimension, and also posted an article backing up my claim.  You were correct, I was ignorant of the Minkowski work.  So I thank you for leading me to further research.

It is a globally-accepted fact that science is ever-changing.  "Faith", however, is defined is claiming to know something that you cannot possibly know - claiming to know something that has absolutely no verifiable data to prove its veracity.  Therefore, the term "faith" to me is insulting.  I also do not "believe" Sagan, Einstein, Hawking, etc.  I respect their hard-earned skills, work ethic, and abilities.  I find them to be admirable and reputable sources of information.

There are no such reputable sources of information for the existence of a deity, or of non-corporeal entities of any sort.  I see no evidence for the existence of a god.  "Belief" has no place in my world.  If you need such things in your life, fine.  Do not dare to assume that I need them in mine.

Peace.