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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 4, 2018 at 1:28 pm
I think Huggy is fast asleep too. It's not a matter of "going back to the original Greek" when discussing the correctness of one manuscript over another. All the manuscripts are in Greek.
From what I gathered from the Got Questions article, translators used a certain Greek manuscript to make all different versions until very recently. They omitted the verses because archaeologists found an earlier, more credible manuscripts with the verses omitted. Because the KJV is an older translation, naturally, it is not going to be updated according to newly-found manuscripts.
Huggy, the online Greek version you are using could simply be from the less credible manuscripts.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 4, 2018 at 1:29 pm
Hey, I've been losing weight. The only interest the bible has for me is its age and curiosity surrounding its popularity. It is a relic but only useful for sleep and as door prop.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 4, 2018 at 1:32 pm
Seems like somewhere in the NT Jesus quotes something from the OT, but no one can find it in the OT.
Don't feel like looking it up . . .
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 4, 2018 at 1:41 pm
(March 4, 2018 at 1:28 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: I think Huggy is fast asleep too. It's not a matter of "going back to the original Greek" when discussing the correctness of one manuscript over another. All the manuscripts are in Greek.
From what I gathered from the Got Questions article, translators used a certain Greek manuscript to make all different versions until very recently. They omitted the verses because archaeologists found an earlier, more credible manuscripts with the verses omitted. Because the KJV is an older translation, naturally, it is not going to be updated according to newly-found manuscripts.
Huggy, the online Greek version you are using could simply be from the less credible manuscripts. That's speculation as far as I'm concerned, I'll need to see evidence of the above.
It's my opinion that the translation of the NIV has less to do with manuscripts and more to do with copyrights.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 4, 2018 at 1:48 pm
(March 4, 2018 at 1:41 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: It's my opinion that the translation of the NIV has less to do with manuscripts and more to do with copyrights.
Could you elaborate? I don't have the vaguest idea what you mean.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 4, 2018 at 2:05 pm
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(March 4, 2018 at 1:48 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: (March 4, 2018 at 1:41 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: It's my opinion that the translation of the NIV has less to do with manuscripts and more to do with copyrights.
Could you elaborate? I don't have the vaguest idea what you mean.
The KJV as well as others are under copyright, in order to copyright a new version of the bible it must be a unique translation...
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 4, 2018 at 2:31 pm
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 4, 2018 at 2:35 pm
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 4, 2018 at 2:41 pm
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 4, 2018 at 2:46 pm
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(March 4, 2018 at 2:41 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I have studied copyright but never looked into the copyrights of various Bibles - never thought of it. But I did have to confirm this one - how can a book created by committee over 7 years, written in Elizabethan English, published in 1611 is still under copyright? But yes, the UK holds the copyright. That's pretty smart.
Wow, I stand corrected. Thanks, Fuzz.
Still, copyright has nothing to do with this, and, as all sources indicate, the omitted verses are still included in footnotes.
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