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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 10, 2018 at 10:04 pm
(March 10, 2018 at 9:49 pm)He lives Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 9:43 pm)Astreja Wrote: Even if that were so, it doesn't make your god hypothesis true by default. All that would mean is that biologists would have to come up with a better theory.
They have tried to come up with a better theory and failed. They have tried to create life and failed.
Wait for it. Modern genetics is a comparatively new science, only about 70 years out from the first experiments, and already there's been RNA synthesis in laboratory. DNA is next.
Got any evidence for your alleged god that doesn't reference a certain book with an undead rabbi, an imaginary flood and a Talking Snake™?
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 10, 2018 at 10:11 pm
(March 10, 2018 at 9:46 pm)Astreja Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 9:44 pm)He lives Wrote: Who said 'Goddidit' was a theory?
On second thought, "Goddidit" isn't good enough to be called a hypothesis. "Theory" is right out.
Intelligent design is the only realistic possibility. Happenstance is an impossibility.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 10, 2018 at 10:13 pm
(March 10, 2018 at 10:11 pm)He lives Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 9:46 pm)Astreja Wrote: On second thought, "Goddidit" isn't good enough to be called a hypothesis. "Theory" is right out.
Intelligent design is the only realistic possibility. Happenstance is an impossibility.
Compared to what?
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 10, 2018 at 10:13 pm
(March 10, 2018 at 10:04 pm)Astreja Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 9:49 pm)He lives Wrote: They have tried to come up with a better theory and failed. They have tried to create life and failed.
Wait for it. Modern genetics is a comparatively new science, only about 70 years out from the first experiments, and already there's been RNA synthesis in laboratory. DNA is next.
Got any evidence for your alleged god that doesn't reference a certain book with an undead rabbi, an imaginary flood and a Talking Snake™? The evidence is life itself.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 10, 2018 at 10:14 pm
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(March 10, 2018 at 10:11 pm)He lives Wrote: Happenstance is an impossibility.
You keep saying that, but I haven't seen you argue logically why that is. Put in some effort into your argument. Maybe then, we can finally figure out what exactly you mean by "happenstance".
(March 10, 2018 at 10:13 pm)He lives Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 10:04 pm)Astreja Wrote: Wait for it. Modern genetics is a comparatively new science, only about 70 years out from the first experiments, and already there's been RNA synthesis in laboratory. DNA is next.
Got any evidence for your alleged god that doesn't reference a certain book with an undead rabbi, an imaginary flood and a Talking Snake™? The evidence is life itself.
Life is evidence that it exists, not evidence that it came from God.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 10, 2018 at 10:24 pm
(March 10, 2018 at 10:13 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 10:11 pm)He lives Wrote: Intelligent design is the only realistic possibility. Happenstance is an impossibility.
Compared to what?
Happenstance is like the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747. You have probably already. However, DNA molecules are very complex. Complex enough that they must have been designed by some intelligence.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 10, 2018 at 10:26 pm
(March 10, 2018 at 10:24 pm)He lives Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 10:13 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Compared to what?
Happenstance is like the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747. You have probably already. However, DNA molecules are very complex. Complex enough that they must have been designed by some intelligence.
Or given enough time, and the right conditions, came about gradually via purely natural processes.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 10, 2018 at 10:30 pm
(March 10, 2018 at 10:14 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 10:11 pm)He lives Wrote: Happenstance is an impossibility.
You keep saying that, but I haven't seen you argue logically why that is. Put in some effort into your argument. Maybe then, we can finally figure out what exactly you mean by "happenstance".
(March 10, 2018 at 10:13 pm)He lives Wrote: The evidence is life itself.
Life is evidence that it exists, not evidence that it came from God.
Actually life itself is evidence that it was created by intelligent design and not happenstance. Even if scientists could make a living organism out of inorganic matter it would be by intelligent design and not happenstance.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 10, 2018 at 10:34 pm
(March 10, 2018 at 10:30 pm)He lives Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 10:14 pm)Grandizer Wrote: You keep saying that, but I haven't seen you argue logically why that is. Put in some effort into your argument. Maybe then, we can finally figure out what exactly you mean by "happenstance".
Life is evidence that it exists, not evidence that it came from God.
Actually life itself is evidence that it was created by intelligent design and not happenstance. Even if scientists could make a living organism out of inorganic matter it would be by intelligent design and not happenstance.
You still haven't made a compelling case for your position. Don't be lazy. If you're just going to assert things over and over again, you might as well use the time to make a proper logically valid argument for once.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 10, 2018 at 10:43 pm
(March 10, 2018 at 10:26 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 10:24 pm)He lives Wrote: Happenstance is like the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747. You have probably already. However, DNA molecules are very complex. Complex enough that they must have been designed by some intelligence.
Or given enough time, and the right conditions, came about gradually via purely natural processes.
I can't see that as a viable possibility.
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