What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?

[GrandizerII]

Huh, you're not making much sense? How are you able to mix miracles with science? Is there a science behind creatio ex nihilo? Please, do tell.

People tend to believe in creatio ex nihilo even though there is no mention of it in the Bible. I believe that matter has always existed. I also believe that there are those who can control matter.

Fair enough then. But why the need for God in this case? If matter has always been, that is.

It will also be a great day once there is proof that there is indeed a flying teapot in outer space!

Are you now conceding you have nothing to bring forth to the table that would imply supernatural truths?

The evidence is there for those who look for it.

I'm all eyes and ears. It's just that reports of experiences with heaps of differences (involving different deities and visions and manifestations depending on one's culture) and easily explained as products of human psychology aren't going to be convincing.

[Amarok]

So, you really haven't done any research and expect to be convincing?

Did i say that ?No i don't believe i did ?

I also did not research the case for a flat earth or (insert rubbish here ) it first implies their is something worth researching .

And who am i trying too convince ? you .

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I have done extensive research on NDEs. I have talked with people who have had them, read close to 100 books, and gone to IANDS meetings. People who have had full blown NDEs have made drastic changes in their lives. There are people are either afraid of or not interested in NDEs

So you have wasted hours of your life on nothing . And changes in peoples life does not make something real . Not interested is the only valid category as their is next to nothing to it . 

 You mean ID vs happenstance? At least ID is logical

You mean nonsense vs your strawman of real science . And nope ID is not logical nor evidenced .

As more and more people have NDEs and tell about them, more doctors and researchers are understanding the importance of the research that is being done

Nope NDE is fringe and it will always remain fringe and collapse into obscenity like all pseudoscience with only a few nuts desperate to get famous or scam people continuing  

Miracles always seem impossible to those who do not understand the science behind them. 

Nope they are impossible period and excuses of kicking the can will not change that. 

It will be a great day once there is proof that the spirit can and does leave the body.

Yes and on that day pigs will fly up will be declared down and fire will be absolute zero .

[Banned]

Not really... long hair don't care. Banned thinks that you're a fucking idiot. What say you?

I haven't read the comments on NDE's. It's not what people think it is, but just the mind experiencing it's own chemical cocktail.

[He lives]

People tend to believe in creatio ex nihilo even though there is no mention of it in the Bible. I believe that matter has always existed. I also believe that there are those who can control matter.

Fair enough then. But why the need for God in this case? If matter has always been, that is.

The evidence is there for those who look for it.

I'm all eyes and ears. It's just that reports of experiences with heaps of differences (involving different deities and visions and manifestations depending on one's culture) and easily explained as products of human psychology aren't going to be convincing.

We need God because we would not exist without him. Everyone has their own perception even during a NDE. However there are many commonalities. I have read many books on NDEs and I am convinced there is much more to a NDE than it being a dream or a hallucination. There are people with enough faith to defy scientific reality.

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So, you really haven't done any research and expect to be convincing?

Did i say that ?No i don't believe i did ?

I also did not research the case for a flat earth or (insert rubbish here ) it first implies their is something worth researching .

And who am i trying too convince ? you .

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I have done extensive research on NDEs. I have talked with people who have had them, read close to 100 books, and gone to IANDS meetings. People who have had full blown NDEs have made drastic changes in their lives. There are people are either afraid of or not interested in NDEs

So you have wasted hours of your life on nothing . And changes in peoples life does not make something real . Not interested is the only valid category as their is next to nothing to it . 

 You mean ID vs happenstance? At least ID is logical

You mean nonsense vs your strawman of real science . And nope ID is not logical nor evidenced .

As more and more people have NDEs and tell about them, more doctors and researchers are understanding the importance of the research that is being done

Nope NDE is fringe and it will always remain fringe and collapse into obscenity like all pseudoscience with only a few nuts desperate to get famous or scam people continuing  

Miracles always seem impossible to those who do not understand the science behind them. 

Nope they are impossible period and excuses of kicking the can will not change that. 

It will be a great day once there is proof that the spirit can and does leave the body.

Yes and on that day pigs will fly up will be declared down and fire will be absolute zero .

Your thoughts and opinions have no credibility because of lack of any real understanding of the subject.

[He lives]

Not really... long hair don't care. Banned thinks that you're a fucking idiot.  What say you?

I haven't read the comments on NDE's. It's not what people think it is, but just the mind experiencing it's own chemical cocktail.

That has been proven inaccurate. Many NDEs have nothing to do with drugs, lack of oxygen, or chemicals released by the body.

[GrandizerII]

Fair enough then. But why the need for God in this case? If matter has always been, that is.


I'm all eyes and ears. It's just that reports of experiences with heaps of differences (involving different deities and visions and manifestations depending on one's culture) and easily explained as products of human psychology aren't going to be convincing.

We need God because we would not exist without him.

It's more the other way around. Gods need us because they would not exist without us.

Everyone has their own perception even during a NDE. However there are many commonalities.

Commonalities in this case do not overcome the decrease in credence due to differences, especially that commonalities can perfectly be explained by commonalities in our human brains and in our cultures and experiences. In other words, the differences are there, and they point more to the likelihood of these experiences being due to natural processes happening in the brain. If NDEs were due to the supernatural, then we would expect far more consistency in these experiences. We don't see that consistency. This is mainly why supernatural explanations fail in this case.

I have read many books on NDEs and I am convinced there is much more to a NDE than it being a dream or a hallucination. There are people with enough faith to defy scientific reality.

Once again, nothing in what you say here lends further credence to NDEs being due to the supernatural.

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I haven't read the comments on NDE's. It's not what people think it is, but just the mind experiencing it's own chemical cocktail.

That has been proven inaccurate. Many NDEs have nothing to do with drugs, lack of oxygen, or chemicals released by the body.

Bullshit on NDEs having nothing to do with chemicals in the body.

[Amarok]

Your thoughts and opinions have no credibility because of lack of any real understanding of the subject.

No I'm afraid  it is your thoughts and opinions that have credibility because you have bought nonsense without legitimacy or reason of which you have no understanding of .

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We need God because we would not exist without him.

Quite the opposite 

Everyone has their own perception even during a NDE. However there are many commonalities. 

Commonalities are explained as much as if the phenomenon were not real

I have read many books on NDEs and I am convinced there is much more to a NDE than it being a dream or a hallucination. There are people with enough faith to defy scientific reality. 

This is preaching not argument

That has been proven inaccurate. Many NDEs have nothing to do with drugs, lack of oxygen, or chemicals released by the body.

The total opposite

[He lives]

That has been proven inaccurate. Many NDEs have nothing to do with drugs, lack of oxygen, or chemicals released by the body.

Bullshit on NDEs having nothing to do with chemicals in the body.

http://the-formula.org/ndes-absolutely-p...ng-brains/

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That has been proven inaccurate. Many NDEs have nothing to do with drugs, lack of oxygen, or chemicals released by the body.

The total opposite

http://the-formula.org/ndes-absolutely-p...ng-brains/

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/decoding-d...-1.3884084

[vulcanlogician]

It doesn't matter because perfectly healthy brains can experience hallucinatory experiences.

And your first article starts with a quote from Heisenberg--it's something that he never said. I kinda stopped there. The podcast is an hour long. Too frikkin' long!

Look, next time your on, put a link to something relatively brief that you think makes a rock solid case for NDEs and I'll look at it. But you may as well not even bother posting an hour-long podcast, man. You can have hour-long podcasts about the moon being a hologram. Nobody wants to sit through an hour of unsubstantiated claims.

[He lives]

It doesn't matter because perfectly healthy brains can experience hallucinatory experiences.

And your first article starts with a quote from Heisenberg--it's something that he never said. I kinda stopped there. The podcast is an hour long. Too frikkin' long!

Look, next time your on, put a link to something relatively brief that you think makes a rock solid case for NDEs and I'll look at it. But you may as well not even bother posting an hour-long podcast, man. You can have hour-long podcasts about the moon being a hologram. Nobody wants to sit through an hour of unsubstantiated claims.

I did a google search on the quote. It seems that Helsenberg did actually say that. Here is another site if you are interested:   http://the-formula.org/how-to-deal-with-...-atheists/