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Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
#81
RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
(January 31, 2018 at 2:43 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Does someone who is driving a car who has an epileptic seizure that results in an accident exercising free will?

What the fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand?

Given enough time and enough atheists, every issue ends up at free will. Rolleyes
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#82
RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
Were you expecting a serious answer from a person who concedes that earthly tyrants are bad, but that their benevolent god can't stand the presence of a person who puts the bad touch on his own dick?  God does what god wants, and that includes seizures.  That sinner probably shook it one too many times after he took a piss.

The seizure and the car crash, just the beginning. That's nothing compared to the eternity he'll spend in hell.
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#83
RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
(January 31, 2018 at 2:58 pm)alpha male Wrote: What the fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand?

Given enough time and enough atheists, every issue ends up at free will.  Rolleyes

At least atheists don't use it as an excuse to explain how an omnipotent being fucked things up so badly.
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#84
RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#85
RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
(January 31, 2018 at 1:54 pm)alpha male Wrote:
(January 31, 2018 at 1:42 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Also, the best bosses aren't dictators, but consensus builders who work with their employees, and are open to change.  They may have the final say, but collaboration is highly valued by them.

Says the guy who's dictating terms to the Christians rather than working with us to build consensus.  Rolleyes

How is repeating your phrasing somehow dictating terms to you? Or are you attempting to say that "Jesus is Lord" isn't a thing in Christianity?

Keep in mind, also, I'm not demanding you abandon Christianity. I'm merely questioning why Christians are so eager to live under a lord-like figure, and have given my reasons for finding the idea abhorrent.
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#86
RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
Call me the next time a cop shows up to a crime in progress and says "Well, don't wanna mess with the perps free will!".  

This dictator of theirs keeps failing by comparison to the lowly human refuse it so clearly abhors.  I don;t see how it;s going to make a better dictator if it makes for an entirely worse person.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#87
RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
(January 31, 2018 at 2:58 pm)alpha male Wrote:
(January 31, 2018 at 2:43 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Does someone who is driving a car who has an epileptic seizure that results in an accident exercising free will?

What the fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand?

Given enough time and enough atheists, every issue ends up at free will. Rolleyes

I never brought it up; it was "you" who decided to start discussing it.
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#88
RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
(January 31, 2018 at 1:22 pm)alpha male Wrote:
(January 31, 2018 at 1:03 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: The OP gave reasons, Alpha.

OK, America. To which I reply - we experience many more power relationships than just the federal government. I gave an example of one that is working out great for me. Another, more common example of a benevolent dictatorship would be parenting. 

I think people aren't actually considering the "benevolent" part.


Quote:Men should be either treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injuries - for heavy ones they cannot.

--Niccolo Machiavelli

Then consider how our current tyrant is treating his asshole criminal billionaire buddies as opposed to, say, the people on Puerto Rico.
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#89
RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
(January 31, 2018 at 2:30 pm)alpha male Wrote:
(January 31, 2018 at 2:22 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Well there's plenty of evidence from the bible that says I'm right. I mean, Adam and Eve get kicked out of Eden for disobeying him once. A guy gets stones to death for picking up sticks on the wrong day of the week. Moses and Jonah say pick someone else when Yahweh wants them to do something, and he forces them anyway. Not to mention Moses gets banned from the promise land for striking a rock, instead of talking to it. Where's the autonomy here?

Your examples are like saying that there isn't autonomy in a democracy because people who break the law are put in jail. Well, yeah they are, but those of us who do the right things have freedoms.

Here's an example of us being given autonomy and authority in this life, and even greater position in the next. We judge the world, and judge the angels. 

1 Cor 6
2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

We don't list "everything we don't like" as breaking a law, nor do we have the death penalty for every law broken. That's why democracy is good, and dictatorships are bad.
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