High school shooting in Parkland FL

[Divinity]

People said to take them from their cold dead hands.

That can be arranged if it's so their wish.

[henryp]

And it's not just right wing militia.  Hispanic and black culture have some gun love in them as well, and they aren't a bunch of Romney supporters.  And they aren't going to be welcoming in the white man disarming them with smiles on their face.

Use black cops?  

It's funny how the political left conveniently forgets minorities when topics like Christianity or guns come up.

Back on point, what's extra fun about disarming poor people, is that they're still going to be living in places with tons of guns.  So for the people who comply, they won't be any safer, and the decision will be obey the law, or disarm yourself for no reason.

It's funny how the conservative right remembers them as examples of things that go wrong, but never tries to improve their lifestyle. Two can play at that game!
Low qualifications on those poor people mean that they can only apply for low wage jobs... the same jobs that have been outsourced to China and India, because they can be even cheaper there.
Without income from jobs, the struggle for survival leads to crime and the need of guns.

As an example, a welfare state can ameliorate that by introducing an subsistence subsidy for people who have no job, while giving them incentives to find a job, typically, by keeping that subsidy a bit below minimum wage and only providing it for a certain period.
At the same time, somehow (and I don't know anything of US tax law to have an opinion) provide incentives for companies to set up shop in the country. Raising import taxes is one way.... goods made in China have to return to the states, somehow to be sold, right?


It's like all the policies that the "political left" wants implemented come together to form a cohesive peaceful whole thriving community...

You're right.  The conservative right is predominantly a fucking sham as well.  But I'm not the conservative right, and Gawdzilla isn't the conservative right.  So I don't see what they have to do with the discussion.  It's the same thing with religion.  I bring up something to an atheist, and they're always "Yeah, but theists do this!!!"  But I'm not a theist.  They're not a theist.  I get why it happens, but it shouldn't.

The black cops statement I hope is a joke.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with welfare and minimum wage jobs.  That's what we already have.  The other part is interesting though.  It's odd you'd associate anti-globalism with the political left.  The political left AND political right are globalists.  They want those jobs in China and India.  Trump and Bernie were the two looking to change that.

[pocaracas]

Use black cops?  



It's funny how the conservative right remembers them as examples of things that go wrong, but never tries to improve their lifestyle. Two can play at that game!
Low qualifications on those poor people mean that they can only apply for low wage jobs... the same jobs that have been outsourced to China and India, because they can be even cheaper there.
Without income from jobs, the struggle for survival leads to crime and the need of guns.

As an example, a welfare state can ameliorate that by introducing an subsistence subsidy for people who have no job, while giving them incentives to find a job, typically, by keeping that subsidy a bit below minimum wage and only providing it for a certain period.
At the same time, somehow (and I don't know anything of US tax law to have an opinion) provide incentives for companies to set up shop in the country. Raising import taxes is one way.... goods made in China have to return to the states, somehow to be sold, right?


It's like all the policies that the "political left" wants implemented come together to form a cohesive peaceful whole thriving community...

You're right.  The conservative right is predominantly a fucking sham as well.  But I'm not the conservative right, and Gawdzilla isn't the conservative right.  So I don't see what they have to do with the discussion.  It's the same thing with religion.  I bring up something to an atheist, and they're always "Yeah, but theists do this!!!"  But I'm not a theist.  They're not a theist.  I get why it happens, but it shouldn't.

The black cops statement I hope is a joke.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with welfare and minimum wage jobs.  That's what we already have.  The other part is interesting though.  It's odd you'd associate anti-globalism with the political left.  The political left AND political right are globalists.  They want those jobs in China and India.  Trump and Bernie were the two looking to change that.

The problem is ages of wrong policies that created the current state of affairs which is far from nice, or "great".
Trump isn't doing anything about it. So much for making America great again....
Obama didn't do anything either. Peace Nobel Prize, yeah right!

There needs to be a consolidated policy that aims to improve the lifestyle of everyone (or the most people as possible) and, honestly, "free market" has shown time and time again that is the wrong way.

Yes, in case the smiley didn't give it away, the black cops statement was a joke.

[henryp]

You're right.  The conservative right is predominantly a fucking sham as well.  But I'm not the conservative right, and Gawdzilla isn't the conservative right.  So I don't see what they have to do with the discussion.  It's the same thing with religion.  I bring up something to an atheist, and they're always "Yeah, but theists do this!!!"  But I'm not a theist.  They're not a theist.  I get why it happens, but it shouldn't.

The black cops statement I hope is a joke.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with welfare and minimum wage jobs.  That's what we already have.  The other part is interesting though.  It's odd you'd associate anti-globalism with the political left.  The political left AND political right are globalists.  They want those jobs in China and India.  Trump and Bernie were the two looking to change that.

The problem is ages of wrong policies that created the current state of affairs which is far from nice, or "great".
Trump isn't doing anything about it. So much for making America great again....
Obama didn't do anything either. Peace Nobel Prize, yeah right!

There needs to be a consolidated policy that aims to improve the lifestyle of everyone (or the most people as possible) and, honestly, "free market" has shown time and time again that is the wrong way.

Yes, in case the smiley didn't give it away, the black cops statement was a joke.

Trump pulling out of globalist trade deals, and imposing tariffs, and repatriating overseas capital, reducing immigration, and lowering corporate tax rates are what you're talking about, no?

[pocaracas]

The problem is ages of wrong policies that created the current state of affairs which is far from nice, or "great".
Trump isn't doing anything about it. So much for making America great again....
Obama didn't do anything either. Peace Nobel Prize, yeah right!

There needs to be a consolidated policy that aims to improve the lifestyle of everyone (or the most people as possible) and, honestly, "free market" has shown time and time again that is the wrong way.

Yes, in case the smiley didn't give it away, the black cops statement was a joke.

Trump pulling out of globalist trade deals, and imposing tariffs, and repatriating overseas capital, reducing immigration, and lowering corporate tax rates are what you're talking about, no?

You know... when you put it like that...
.From the European side, those globalist trade deals were feared due to the ease with which "deregulated" american companies would get their cheap unsafe products in the EU market. Loss of business for the US?
.Imposing tariffs on very select products (solar panels) to increase... don't know, but it does increase usage of fossil fuels, worsening the environment in the States... and the world.
.Repatriating overseas capital? The repatriation tax is designed to to incentivize US-based companies that do business overseas to bring their profits back stateside.... and what do they do with those profits abroad that they don't want to do in the states, but need an incentive?
.Reducing immigration? https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/...7-edition/: "Immigrants added an estimated $2 trillion to the U.S. GDP in 2016." You really think it's wise to lower that?
.Lowering corporate taxes is the cherry on top of the cake - the well known NOT to work trickle down economics which is also well known to fill the pockets of the few on top.


Those measures don't seem as positive now... but maybe, maybe they'll do something... wait and see, huh?

[Amarok]

Trump pulling out of globalist trade deals, and imposing tariffs, and repatriating overseas capital, reducing immigration, and lowering corporate tax rates are what you're talking about, no?

You mean all those measures that will hurt the economy . Because there the gospel of voodoo economics .

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I see you agree that they won't have popular support. No revolution survives without that.

I think people forget that real revolutions aren't a bunch of college kids marching on saturday with clever signs.  Nobody cares about those people, because nobody needs anything from them.  Just for them to go back to being a cog on Monday, which they always do.

If you're disarming the country, you need something from the people 'revolting.'  You need to take their guns.  That's the whole point.  And we've already seen an inability to disarm organized crime.   Maybe the government could do it.  But the cost is really high.   And for what?  To take guns away from people who probably weren't going to use them until they were provoked.

You know, I am seeing SO MUCH FUCKING LOVE FOR THIS COUNTRY from people willing to destroy it just to keep their FUCKING TOYS.

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People said to take them from their cold dead hands.

That can be arranged if it's so their wish.

I'd take their hands, too. Make great wall gun racks if they're preserved right, and the irony factor would be LOLbaby.

[Amarok]

I think people forget that real revolutions aren't a bunch of college kids marching on saturday with clever signs.  Nobody cares about those people, because nobody needs anything from them.  Just for them to go back to being a cog on Monday, which they always do.

If you're disarming the country, you need something from the people 'revolting.'  You need to take their guns.  That's the whole point.  And we've already seen an inability to disarm organized crime.   Maybe the government could do it.  But the cost is really high.   And for what?  To take guns away from people who probably weren't going to use them until they were provoked.

You know, I am seeing SO MUCH FUCKING LOVE FOR THIS COUNTRY from people willing to destroy it just to keep their FUCKING TOYS.

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People said to take them from their cold dead hands.

That can be arranged if it's so their wish.

I'd take their hands, too. Make great wall gun racks if they're preserved right, and the irony factor would be LOLbaby.

Lol good idea .

[CapnAwesome]

Maybe not shoot up a school specifically. But shoot up places, yeah for sure. Besides, do you feel like they are mentally stable people with predictable behavior?

If they are so mentally unstable that they would try to shoot up places when faced with increased gun control measures, they shouldn't have guns in the first place.

That's true of course, but saying that they shouldn't have them is different than saying that they do have them. Which is reality. If you want to volunteer to go tell a ptsd vet with a room full of guns to give them up to the government, be my guest.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If they are so mentally unstable that they would try to shoot up places when faced with increased gun control measures, they shouldn't have guns in the first place.

That's true of course, but saying that they shouldn't have them is different than saying that they do have them. Which is reality. If you want to volunteer to go tell a ptsd vet with a room full of guns to give them up to the government,  be my guest.

I got one of them near me. I can give full address in return for exclusive Youtube rights.