Donald Trump wants to arm teachers with guns

[I_am_not_mafia]

There is an entire world outside of America, almost none of which have problems with mass shootings. It's not like America has to figure out this problem by itself.

Maybe America should follow the example of first world countries where no one would even contemplate having guns in schools and see how they managed it.

Or you can all just debate it as if it's an undiscovered country that you are contemplating heading into.

[Amarok]

You are wrong on both counts. First, I am not pro-gun; but rather, believe that self-defense is a basic human right and having sufficient means to do so is a necessary part of protecting that right. Second, Christianity, in the main, teaches not to initiate violence. There is no prohibition against protecting yourself, except maybe for Quakers and a few other pacifist sects.

Yeah it is but you don't need guns to do that , you can' solve this problem with guards , it won't help. 
If you aren't talking about guns it is not my fault , this thread is about them .

Pretty much 

[Catholic_Lady]

This is the annoying thing about some of you people. You can't seem to grasp that your thinking doesn't have to be mutually exclussive. I say it may be a good idea to have an armed guard or 2 for added security in public schools, and you automatically assume I'm pro guns or pro violence.

Do I think we need stricter gun laws? Absolutely! Let me make that clear: WE NEED STRICTER GUN LAWS.

...But that doesn't mean having an armed security guard as an added protection for our kids isn't a good idea. We can support both, you know.

The fact is that with stricter gun laws you wouldn't need armed guards.
This thread is about the Presidents ideea of reducing shootings , you can understand why I thinked that this was your ideea of solving the problem.
Edit: I can't grasp how an armed guard would help , if I want to start a shooting at a school I'll just take him out first and than start the killing spree.

Maybe eventually we wouldn't, but if gun laws changed tomorrow, that doesn't mean the threat would be completely eliminated overnight. I really don't see why you take such issue with an added protection until/if we get to that point.

[Shell B]

Because norhing reduces casualties more than ignoring the cause of the problem and adding more guns.

An armed police presence MAYBE...

Many schools have "school resource officers."  Generally, they quickly become tools to oppress students on behalf of the administration, especially if they are minority students.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar...ts/414286/

There are about 19,000 sworn police officers stationed in schools nationwide, according to U.S. Department of Justice estimates, and stories about their school-discipline disasters cross Mo Canady’s desk all the time.

It's a shitty idea.  No wonder the WLB is all for it!

I got caught with rolling papers for weed at school when I was maybe 14 or 15. The dean of students tried to threaten me with the police. I was a shithead, and told him that rolling papers aren't illegal, so he can call the cops all he wants. Teachers definitely use the cops to try to scare kids.

[Neo-Scholastic]

WE NEED STRICTER GUN LAWS.

We already have strict gun laws. What we do not have is a culture that encourages personal and civic responsibility.

[Catholic_Lady]

WE NEED STRICTER GUN LAWS.

We already have strict gun laws. What we do not have is a culture that encourages personal and civic responsibility.

I think they need to be way stricter. But yes, we should simultaneously encourage a culture of responsibility and respect for life.

[Neo-Scholastic]

There is an entire world outside of America, almost none of which have problems with mass shootings. It's not like America has to figure out this problem by itself.

Maybe America should follow the example of first world countries where no one would even contemplate having guns in schools and see how they managed it.

Or you can all just debate it as if it's an undiscovered country that you are contemplating heading into.

YOU ARE WRONG.

...a study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center, headed by economist John Lott, shows the U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.

So who's tops? Surprisingly, Norway is, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by France at 0.347, Macedonia at 0.337, and Albania at 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republic all follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.

That's not all. There were also 27% more casualties from 2009 to 2015 per mass shooting incident in the European Union than in the U.S.

"There were 16 cases where at least 15 people were killed," the study said. "Out of those cases, four were in the United States, two in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom."

"But the U.S. has a population four times greater than Germany's and five times the U.K.'s, so on a per-capita basis the U.S. ranks low in comparison — actually, those two countries would have had a frequency of attacks 1.96 (Germany) and 2.46 (UK) times higher."

*my emphasis*

Source: IBD

[Catholic_Lady]

Many schools have "school resource officers."  Generally, they quickly become tools to oppress students on behalf of the administration, especially if they are minority students.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar...ts/414286/



It's a shitty idea.  No wonder the WLB is all for it!

I got caught with rolling papers for weed at school when I was maybe 14 or 15. The dean of students tried to threaten me with the police. I was a shithead, and told him that rolling papers aren't illegal, so he can call the cops all he wants. Teachers definitely use the cops to try to scare kids.

Whoa, you were a bad kid lol.

[Amarok]

We already have strict gun laws. What we do not have is a culture that encourages personal and civic responsibility.

Rubbish deflection . This is almost as lame as blaming video games and hollywood .Or saying we need more prayer in school .

[Catholic_Lady]

There is an entire world outside of America, almost none of which have problems with mass shootings. It's not like America has to figure out this problem by itself.

Maybe America should follow the example of first world countries where no one would even contemplate having guns in schools and see how they managed it.

Or you can all just debate it as if it's an undiscovered country that you are contemplating heading into.

YOU ARE WRONG.

...a study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center, headed by economist John Lott, shows the U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.

So who's tops? Surprisingly, Norway is, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by France at 0.347, Macedonia at 0.337, and Albania at 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republic all follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.

That's not all. There were also 27% more casualties from 2009 to 2015 per mass shooting incident in the European Union than in the U.S.

"There were 16 cases where at least 15 people were killed," the study said. "Out of those cases, four were in the United States, two in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom."

"But the U.S. has a population four times greater than Germany's and five times the U.K.'s, so on a per-capita basis the U.S. ranks low in comparison — actually, those two countries would have had a frequency of attacks 1.96 (Germany) and 2.46 (UK) times higher."

Source: IBD

Are we perfect? No. Are there things we need to change and improve? Yes. But all this America bashing seriously gets old. My family and I voluntarily migrated here from South America back in the 90's and we are all very privileged to be here.